Terminator 3: The Coming StormHot
- NTSC DVD-5
- Removed opening nuke and John’s first V.O. Film proper starts during John’s nightmare.
- Joined both parts of John on motorbike together and reworked V.O. to eliminate age reference and to simplify his narration.
- Removed the TX’s, “I like this car.”
- Added “Uploading Virus” readout to TX’s HUD. The so-called supervirus that pops up out of nowhere does not exist in this version. The only virus is the one she delivers. My line of reasoning is that future-Skynet sends her back with a virus that cannot be stopped by conventional means, thus instigating the Military’s activation of Skynet in the here and now.
- Removed TX’s Inflate-O-Boobs(TM).
- Removed Kate and Scott shopping scene. The latter half of this sequence (after General Brewster gets off the phone with Kate) is moved way back in the film. It would make little sense for General Brewster to be concerned about a supervirus that was only uploaded a moment earlier.
- Removed T-850′s encounter with the bouncer outside the Desert Star.
- Removed zoom into â€˜Ladies Night’ sign and sped-up shot of T-850 reacting to new song starting.
- Altered so that T-850 doesn’t blink when hit in the face with a glove. (Yes, I realise that Terminators blink, but it makes him seem scarier that he doesn’t need to when hit. Mostly I just didn’t like Arnie’s ‘startled old man’ expression.)
- Removed T-850 talking into stripper’s hand, and the rest of the scene with the star-glasses. He just breaks the stripper’s hand and we go straight to the TX at Jim’s Burgers. Replaced song during entire Desert Star sequence.
- Removed the TX scanning Jose Barrera’s iris. As Reese said, “Most of the records were lost during the war.” I’m not a fan of Skynet’s files being this detailed. It’s bad enough she has John’s DNA records on file.
- Fixed the incorrect spelling of “BARRERA” on the TX’s heads-up-display. Now her readout matches his name-tag.
- After the TX kills Jose, we cut back to the T-850 stealing a truck. Removed watch on top of visor, synchronizing time, and T-850 contemplating the sunglasses. He just picks them up and puts them straight on without looking at them for ages.
- Removed newscast about supervirus seen during Bill Anderon’s party. Bill and his girlfriend are now watching a movie instead. For one, I needed the virus mentions all moved towards the end of the film, and two ... who watches the news at a party?
- Fixed TX blinking when she shoots Bill.
- Removed all references Kate makes to Mike Kripke’s basement. Also removed Kate mentioning them being in the 8th grade when John disappeared. As with the John’s age, this is incorrect. We don’t need to know how John knows Kate, it’s enough that he just does. In my mind, Nikki Cox was Kate Brewster in T2. She had red hair and certainly knew John back then.
- Removed TX scanning Betsy’s blood and speaking to herself about it.
- Removed some of Kate’s whimpering when hiding from the TX. The TX is so close, she should really hear it.
- Removed TX’s visible reaction to John’s blood ID. I don’t have a problem with Terminators showing reactions to things, but this one is a little over the top. Even if she were human, I’d have probably cut it.
- Removed Kate dropping her keys.
- Removed T-850′s line to Kate, “I lied.”
- Removed all the talking between John and the T-850 when first meeting in the hallway. John comes across like an idiot. “Are you here to kill me?” No, son if he were you’d be dead before you got the question out. Now, the Terminator strides up and just grabs John right away.
- Removed T-850′s line, “Keep moving!” I’ve tried to make the Terminator as taciturn as possible, removing any lines that really aren’t needed.
- Removed T-850′s, “Get out of here! Now!”
- Moved the paramedics finding the T-850 to a little later. Helps minimise the fact that they just stand next to him for a long time doing nothing. Also removed them trying to move him. It’s a stupid moment, and since when are paramedics in the habit of just dragging accident victims around without knowing what has happened to them?
- Removed T-850′s line to the motorcycle cop, “Get off!” It’s obviously looped after the fact, and it’s not needed.
- Removed John hitting the inflatable toy in the front yard during the car chase. “Boing”?? I could have just taken the sound effect out, but taking the shots out altogether actually made the sequence flow better.
- Re-instated an unused piece of score during the crane chase.
- Removed reverse-motion shot of Fire Truck heading straight for the T-850. It’s too obviously in reverse due to the exhaust fumes.
- Removed TX smirking to herself after shaking the T-850.
- Removed T-850′s to the firemen, “I’ll drive” and “Get out.” The â€˜Get out’ is another obvious loop job.
- Removed TX’s double-take when seeing the T-850 in the firetruck.
- Removed the Terminator’s, “Excuse me.” to the TX. Substituted a metallic clink, (the axe hitting the side of the crane) which is what gets the TX’s attention instead.
- Removed “Move over” when the Terminator climbs into the driver’s seat of Kate’s truck. Another looped line.
- Removed all of John’s idiotic, “Do you even remember me?” talk.
- Removed, “I am unable to comply” when Kate tells the Terminator to drop dead.
- Removed John’s question, “Where are you taking me?” and the T-850′s reply, “To a safe location.”
- Removed the T-850′s claim that, “Judgement Day is inevitable.”
- Removed, “I’m an obsolete design.”
- Removed all the talk about the TX being an anti-Terminator Terminator, and “I am not shitting you.”
- Removed T-850′s second, “Relax!”
- Replaced the song playing in the ampm store. I cannot stand “Dat Funky Man” or whatever it’s called.
- Fixed jump-cut when TV is shown switching channels.
- Removed T-850 leaving the store. No 'Talk to the hand' at all. We can just assume he paid for the items. A few moments later, we will see the clerk calling the police due to Kate’s screaming. Wouldn’t he have been a bit more shaken, and already calling the cops if a huge dude in leather had just robbed him moments earlier?
- Removed all the revisited talk of Mike Kripke’s basement, and John’s idea that he and Kate were destined to meet.
- Erased the tire-iron from the back of the vet truck as it speeds down the road. The T-850 already removed it and threw it away.
- Removed the TX killing Scott, and the cops coming to the door. The scene sucks, and this way it’s a mild surprise when the TX kills the cops a few minutes later.
- Removed the dates on Sarah’s plaque. Both dates are completely wrong.
- Removed John saying that Sarah “...fought for three years” against leukaemia. Now he just says the more ambiguous, “She fought long enough to make sure the world didn’t end.”
- Removed John telling the T-850 that it was the closest thing he ever had to a father. John just comes across as stupid, as he knows full well that this is not the Terminator that protected him in 1995.
- Removed the T-850′s, “My mission is to protect you” to Kate.
- Removed T-850 spitting out the bullet. Gee, sure is a lucky shot that Kate managed to shoot a bullet into his mouth while it was closed.
- Removed all of John’s, “Why me?” stuff, and the T-850 'convincing' him to fight.
- Moved driving scene with Scott and the cops to after Kate meets Silberman. Reframed one shot to cover the fact that the TX’s arm isn’t behind the seat where it should be. Trimmed out one shot of the driver’s terrible â€˜pain’ acting, and removed shot of TX’s hand slowly taking the steering wheel.
- Trimmed out the last few moments of Silberman’s ramblings. Way to run the joke into the ground, folks.
- Removed T-850′s casualty readout after shooting at the SWAT team.
- Removed the T-850 telling John that Kate will be his wife in the future.
- In the graveyard, the TX stupidly reverts back to its default form for no reason before trying to kill Kate. To try to help justify this, I’ve moved up the shot of John and the Terminator approaching in the hearse. It’s not much of an excuse, but at least it’s something. Sort of like the TX knows it’s busted, so there’s no need to keep up the ruse.
- Removed shot of the hearse turning and losing a hubcap. It loses the same hubcap again a moment later.
- Removed the last few frames of the TX jumping onto the hearse. There was a moment of 'float' to the cable work there.
- Removed Kate screaming, “Do something!” at the Terminator.
- Erased visible safety cables and effects markers from two shots of the TX on top of the hearse.
- Removed the T-850′s deadpan line, “We need a new vehicle.” And John and Kate’s dumbfounded stares. A very sitcom-esque moment.
- Removed the hearse’s door falling off the hinges when the Terminator opens it. More sitcom “hilarity”.
- After Kate has her little cry, we cut to General Brewster talking about the super-virus. Then we come back to John and the T-850 discussing the TX’s hit-list. Removed John asking about his future marriage to Kate.
- Removed John theorising about fate and he and Kate getting together back before T2.
- Removed all the business about, “You cannot self-terminate.”
- Removed line about Skynet assuming control over global communications. How can it when it hasn’t been brought on-line yet? The virus is the one affecting out communications.
- Removed Kate finding out about her marriage to John.
- Removed small-scale flying H/K and endoskeleton at CRS.
- Removed final mention of Mike Kripke’s basement, and T-850′s line about levity.
- Removed line about Skynet operating at 60 teraflops per second. The â€˜PS’ in teraflops already stands for â€˜per second’ so it’d be an awfully stupid thing for a technician to say.
- Removed “She’ll be back.”
- Removed John’s line, “Skynet is the virus!”
- Removed General Brewster’s line about Pandora’s box. It’s very trite, and I prefer that the shot focuses on Kate’s reaction instead of his rambling.
- Removed the Terminator telling John and Kate to run when the TX shows up. They should know to run just fine without being told to all the damn time.
- Removed the TX’s head spinning all the way around.
- Removed a few frames from when the T-850 steps on the TX’s head. The original shot had a little reverse motion in it, and looked silly.
- Removed the TX turning her upper body all the way around.
- Removed the TX stomping the T-850′s head off. It’s stupid that it would go back on fine with no effort, and some of the CG looks really crummy. She injects her nanobots while he is still reeling from the electrical shock.
- Removed John and Kate versus the small flying H/K.
- Removed Kate’s, “Just die, you bitch!” and a few frames at the end of the scene when you can see someone else at the end of the tunnel.
- Removed the T-850 putting his head back on.
- Removed, “You can’t kill a human, you said so yourself!” The T-850 never said this.
- When the Terminator is smashing the truck, removed a few shots that ruin the continuity.
- Removed both shots of the plane with the wrong call letters on the side.
- Removed, “I’m back.”
- Removed a bunch of the TX’s roaring and screaming. I couldn’t get all of it out without it being ridiculously choppy, but I snipped as much as I felt I could.
- Removed Kate’s suggestion to just let the bomb go off. She’s awfully quick to embrace suicide.
- Slightly different ending, features no V.O. from John about the virus/Skynet, alternate musical cue, and a different final shot of the film.
- Shortened end credits and replaced music. Score only, no songs.
Wow, so it had been a long time since I watched this film, but I just watched Terminator: Dark Fate and wanted to see how this fanedit compared... T3 does not hold up well. This edit does the equivalent of open-heart surgery on the film...but now that it's resuscitated, we can see we should've just euthanized it. (More on Dark Fate at the end...)
No fault of Uncanny Antman's, he did a really admirable job on this edit. The problem in this film is just fundamental plot level, where the “conveniences” pile up hard and fast from the start…
-the “female” TX happens to appear in a ladies fashion display (while all the male time travelers have appeared in neutral locations like an alley or desert)
-John has spent years being trained to be a total badass…but happens to crash his motorcycle tonight
-then he happens to go to the clinic where his old schoolmate works
-TX happens to make that one of her first stops, so she can trace John from his blood there
-And Kate happened to have an emergency call right when John was at her clinic
-etc., etc. The whole setup for the plot is just irredeemable.
Then there are all the problems with character development. UA has thankfully removed much of the dated and cheesy attempts at humor, as well as lots of moment of John whining or waxing non-sensically about destiny. He also excised the needless and unconvincing romance sub-plot. However, what's left is a film with poorly-defined, dry characters that don't really win us over. Arnold hammed it up as the T-850 at times, but a few lines like "I am not shitting you" got real chuckles from me. Without them, I didn't really feel anything during the film. So all we can do is focus on plot and motivation, which leads us to sit there bemused, saying:
How can the TX remotely control cars again? “Nanotechnology”? Way to use a sciency buzzword without understanding how that really works.
Why is John now a total “Please, I don’t want any trouble!” wuss? Has that been working for him all these years on the road?
Man, the relentless callbacks are annoying. There was a reason the T-850 wore sunglasses before. There was a reason he wore leather. Here, it’s just the recognizable uniform, so they make sure to put him back in it. Then there's Chekov’s power cell… oh, he has two of them for some reason? I’m sure that won’t be important to the plot later…
Whereas thematically the first 2 films are about self-determinism and the idea that you can change your future, this film sides with “destiny” and the idea that some things are bound to happen one way or another. So then how are we supposed to take John’s plan here of the T-850 that killed him driving him to stop Skynet from going online so that the T-850 never kills him…? Does it make any kind of sense to think that that’s even possible? John is all over the place on this. One scene, he’s saying “you know what you have to do, you know my destiny!” the next he’s all “the future is up to us, Kate!”
Didn’t they say in the previous films that Skynet didn’t know what John looked like because a lot of records were destroyed during the war? How then does Skynet know all about John’s lieutenants, and have a DNA sample of his?!
Wait, HOW did the T-850 manage to get into the heart of this military base?!
So the TX kicks the T-850’s ass but it has to look at itself in the mirror after? Really, guys?
Chekov’s power cell redux: hmm, so as predicted, the T-850 went all movie with no obvious reduction in power just so it could blow up that 2nd power cell in the TX…who somehow hasn’t been able to use her metallic shapeshifting all movie’s end. Wow, that’s convenient for him!
Okay, positives: they do have a couple rich ideas here, like Skynet using John’s attachment to the T-850 to get close to him. And I like that unlike in T1 or T2, you don’t know which side the T-850 is on from one minute to the next.
I also always thought the downer ending was a really brave choice, and there’s a lot of poetry in it. Not only does mankind create the AI and the robots that turn on us, but Judgement Day is accomplished by launching our own nukes at ourselves. It’s a strong message, and practically the only thing that justifies this film’s existence.
As far as the fanedit goes, there were just a couple changes that I had to take off points for. The first was the aggressively loud opening music. The others are narrative changes. Removal of dialogue when Kate has John caged up leads to a long, silent recognition scene that is about twice as long as it needs to be and feels pretty awkward.
The other big point is that in this edit Skynet of the future sends back the TX with the virus that creates Skynet? Well, that might be the greatest case of self-determinism ever. Or a total paradox…I’m picky about time travel logic, so this really doesn’t work for me.
In the end, this is almost certainly the best possible version of Terminator 3 that we could have (minus those couple tweaks I mentioned). It is far superior to the original film. But honestly, just go with Terminator: Dark Fate. It totally ignores this movie and is 10x better. This film is now like the T-850 says of himself: "I'm an obsolete design."
As said in this Podcast episode: https://youtu.be/djrZ2RE1gM4
The editing is solid. A+.
This for me fixes Terminator 3. Does it make it perfect? Of course not but it makes it closer in tone to the first two and makes the overall story much better. Cuts down on most of the cheese and makes the Terminators act more like well Terminators. Also helps make John less of a clueless dumb ass.
Should also be noted the copy I got had a borked 5.1 track where the center channel was in the back.... I had to re-encode with Handbrake as a flat Stereo track. Not even Pro-Logic would fix this issue.
If you didn't like T3, you might like this. If you already liked T3 you'll probably love this. I say check it out.
I've never seen Terminator 3. I've not avoided it, but the opportunity never came up and since it wasn't meant to be very good I didn't really seek it out. I'd heard a lot of good things about this edit though, so I decided to go out and buy a copy of the film just to check out The Coming Storm. So, Uncanny Antman's cut is my first experience of the film.
Visual editing - Almost perfect. There was only one cut that I noticed and that was when a conversation between John and the girl suddenly ends (having read the cut list afterwards, I'm assuming this is where they kiss or talk about kissing or something like that). It wasn't actually a bad cut. I wouldn't go as far as to describe it as jarring, but it just seemed fairly obvious that the scene was meant to play out longer. I watched this with four other people who had all seen the film before (although quite some time ago) and none of them found the cuts noticeable. One person spotted the convo cut at the same time as me.
Audio editing – fine. Nothing noticeable.
Narrative – here's where things fall apart. Obviously, I haven't seen the original movie (which I will be doing just to compare), but from reading the cut list and a couple of other reviews it sounds like there were scenes cut that would be responsible for hindering the narrative. One of the main issues is that characters just keep popping up out of nowhere without being properly introduced. The girl (I'm terrible with names), her father and her fiance could all have done with an earlier introduction. Maybe the scene that does this was cringy, I don't know, but regardless, if removing a scene is going to hinder the narrative then it's better to leave it in IMO. The whole Skynet thing seemed a bit out of the blue as well. The terminator clearly uploads something to the machines, but we don't know what. Things just seem to start going wrong and it's not exactly clear why. I'm assuming this probably has to do with the virus plotline which the editor chose to cut out a large chunk of.
Enjoyment – Never seen the original, but this certainly felt like it could have been a lot worse. Reading the cut list certainly made me cringe at what I potentially could have been exposed to. My chief concerns were with the narrative, but outside of that it was quite a fun ride. The film itself is pointless, but it has a good ending and it kind of fixes the plot holes created in T2 (if Skynet is stopped then John Connor never sends Kyle Reese back and therefore John is not born.).
So, why did I watch this before watching the original? Well, I had no interest in watching the original. But this edit was supposedly meant to make it good. So I thought, if I'm going to watch it, I may as well watch a version that I'm more likely to enjoy. I was also just generally curious to experience a fan edit of something I had no familiarity with; to see if I could tell that it had been tampered with and if I could spot cuts without having knowledge of what would have been removed. Turns out the narrative suffers quite a bit, and I'm not entirely sure this could have been given the go ahead as an official release - then again... fanedit.org exists for a reason :P . Despite apparent flaws though, I did enjoy it and it's sparked my interest in the theatrical release.
I imagine The Coming Storm is probably much better than the original movie, but after reading the cut list I'm also fairly certain stuff that shouldn't have been cut was taken out. I plan on watching the original for comparison, and then I will probably come back and update my review. Would I recommend this edit? That remains to be seen.
I haven't seen the original version since the last Terminator came out, so I don't remember it all that much. I intentionally didn't read the cutlist as well.
What I saw was incredible. It's a completely different film altogether that stands up next to the first two. All the terrible dialogue, jokes have been seamlessly removed and minor continuity errors removed. I didn't notice a single edit anywhere.
Removing most of the Terminators' lines have made them more terrifying than before, they don't say a single word to each other the whole film, inline with the previous 2 films. Also taking out the short conversation with John asking about "Hasta la vista baby" makes him seem like he's just used to time-travelling robots at this point, a nice change.
Overall, a vast improvement over the original. This forever replaces the Rise of the Machines DVD sitting on my shelf.