Terminator Salvation: The T4 Cut
(Not included in actual File – it's additional Downloadable Material.)
720p and 1080p.
Entire Movie has been Re-colored
Removed Marcus on death row in correction facility seq.
Silenced Soldier yelling commands to John to often.
Removed Marcus's screams after climbing out of base
Music Altered when Marcus puts on resistance soldier uniform.
Removed General Ashdown putting gun to Connor's head. - like Theatrical Vers.
General Ashdown doesn't say “Profosied leader of the resistance”
General Losenko No longer mentions who is #1 & #2 on the Kill List.
John Connor never ask's who is #1 on the Kill list.
Medium Low Angle shot of John walking down the hall way has been cut.
Altered Music track of John and Kate hugging.
Removed Marcus walking in the desert.
Added Music to John listening to cassette of Sarah.
Sarah's dialog altered to the Original Track from Terminator.
Removed John's line "And Skynet is hunting him" (in reference to Kyle.)
Removed half of the scene between John & Kate talking about testing the signal.
Slight music variance when Kyle Reese introduces himself to Marcus.
Removed Kyle’s hand gesture to Star & her dropping shotgun, and running.
Removed Star looking down at destroyed T-600
Removed the captured terminator worm sequence.
Removed Kyle's hesitance to grab the shotgun from Marcus.
Removed Kyle's Line "Dad tried to fix it.........."
Removed John's line "I hope he's listening to this."
Removed Marcus being shocked by car battery and Star putting a bandaid on his arm.
Removed most of the conversation around the Engine between Kyle and Marcus.
Removed the Music from the Car stereo.
Removed Kyle's line "Must of heard the Music."
Removed the Terminator Scout Identifying Kyle.
Removed Star finding Lugnut Wrench T-bar and handing to Marcus.
Removed half the scene at gas station with everyone talking.
Removed Johns line about HK's searching deep into the territory
Removed Star handing flare to Marcus.
Added Music to Beginning of gas station action seq.
Removed Star handing Kyle grenade launcher.
Removed Marcus's line "Well I've been dead a while and I'm getting use to it."
Removed Kyle's conversation with passengers in the transport Vessel seq.
Moved the HK signal scene before Marcus and Blair find the Gas Station.
Silenced John's line “We gotta make sure signal works on the bigger machines.”
Color Corrected the view through John Connor's Binoculars to have a Night Vision feel.
Marcus and Blair at the gas station seq. has been cut in half. No boob's, No looking at each other, no attempted rape, no getting cosey around a fire.
Removed Kyle whispering to one of the prisoners about escape.
Removed Marcus's visions of being in Prison.
Removed Blair's line "He saved my life."
Removed Scene of prisoners being processed & Kyle being grabbed by large robotic arm.
Intercut John & Kate's scene talking about not knowing his enemies, and Blair freeing Marcus.
Added new music during Marcus and Blairs escape seq.
Added Music Que to John's line "I'll be back."
Added a 2nd Track of Guns'N'Roses to Bike sequence, very similar to T2's, to make reference.
Removed Marcus digging up digital newspaper clips on Skynet Computer.
Slight Music Variance to John's entrance into Skynet building.
Altered and Removed Certain lines and shots from Marcus's conversation with Skynet computer.
Music Variance to John's discovery of the T-800.
Added Music Que to John finding Kyle.
Altered Music of Kyle taking out a Terminator.
Added Music Track in Terminator production area.
Removed shot of John losing detonator.
Removed shot of Star picking up detonator.
Altered Music John vs T-800
Removed shot of Star handing John Connor detonator switch.
Added Music for Destruction of Skynet Facility.
Added Music to John Connor dieing seq.
Removed Marcus's speech about being human.
New ending Theme.
Agent 9's audio work in this edit is great, replacing the soundtrack in parts of the movie with more classical Terminator-tunes, really heightens the enjoyment. I also liked the new colour for the movie.
Audio/Video-quality could have been better though, a bigger filesize (maybe even 1080p) and more bitrate for the audio-track (128kb/s is imho a bit too little for stereo, 320 kb/s would have been better).
Narrative wise, it all works and makes sense mostly, and the pacing is faster. But it felt like it was over just a bit too fast, maybe here and there a bit slower pacing would have helped. What I missed a bit was a bit more scenes for Marcus and Blair to help with their relation, so that it becomes more beliveable that she would help him escape.
I recommend this edit, especially because of the new soundtrack and colour, and if you like a fast pacing, you'll love this edit.
For all its flaws, the best looking of the Terminator flicks, featuring the best battle bots. The story seems written by a drugged out chimp, however. Comments about the ham-fisted direction are unnecessary. Agent9 tries to improve this with slight structural rearranging and heightened focus on “Marcus.”
Video - MPEG-4 1280 X 532p. Earlier reviewed mentioned issues with blacks and resolutions, but I detected none of that. Then again, they also referenced a 720p size. This is clearly much larger. Perhaps a V2. Contrast is sharp throughout.
Audio - 2 Channel AAC. 128 Kbps. Subtitles? No and yes. According to IEDB, editor commentary subtitles were available. Not muxed in, no link on the “unaffiliated site.” They would have been nice, but I didn’t want to contact and wait. The range is quite robust. Conversations and hollered commands often indecipherable. Audio levels fine for action, which is about 75% of this version.
Narrative - The plot in the original was poor, this version is better, though still not great. One cannot overcome the problem that Connor, leader of humankind, is more a cult figure, There are plot holes, and an utter lack of consequences for ignoring chain of command. Story, “find and rescue Reese,” far from compelling.
Enjoyment - One of those edits I “wanted” to enjoy. And while viewing, I did enjoy. Appreciate might be a better definition. I like the thought Agent9 gave to this, the subtle shift of the POV. Music alterations were imaginative and appropriate. The pace of this edit rocks!
Nevertheless, I still dislike the characters in this. Every - single - one. Connor has a memorable bit of speechifying where he says, “... we are not machines. And if we behave like them, then what is the point in winning?" Yet all characters are little more than bots. There is neither personality nor humanity in any character. Worse, Connor is a dick. The action sequences blaze and explode, very diverting, but in the end, I couldn’t care less if humanity gets wiped in this movie.
So, I enjoyed this on a brain-slumber level, giggling as things go boom! Far as people, exterminate.
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I waited a long time to see this Fanedit and i must say its not bad but it can be better. My main problem is that unlike many people i don't believe T4 is such a terrible movie (it is inferior to T1 and T2 but better than T3) but it lacked some good Brad Fiedel music. I was dissapointed that this edit make so little use of that, instead we have what i suppose is music from T3 (I dont even remember the music of that movie) and some of the original score of T4. Besides that i liked the color correction and that some of the editing. There are few things i dont believe should have been cut. One is the scene in the gas station, the other one is when Marcus fights some guys to help Blair, i dont know why that was cut, i believe without that it doesnt make much sense that Blair help Marcus. Sound sometimes have problems, some voices are too low, That it, beyond that its a decent editing.
Agent 9 has done a great job with this edit and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It really is better in every way compared to the theatrical release and will be go to copy moving forward. I echo many of the other reviews in the technical improvements this edit provides, but most importantly for me this "feels" like a proper Terminator movie and that's the point. Well done!
Terminator Salvation is a really cool movie. And I'm inclined to say it's good. I think it's a little underrated - there was a lot of good set up in the film. I believe they could've made a fantastic sequel to it, but unfortunately that won't be happening. Of course, the filmmakers only have themselves to blame for making such an undercooked product. The action sequences are fantastic, along with the whole world they've created, but they've populated it with uninteresting characters and a near brain-dead plot. But many fun blockbusters have doldrum plot lines. It really is the characters that ruin this movie.
See, the problem is that they lack basic character development. Which makes us not care about them, which makes us not care about the movie. Unfortunately this brings me to my biggest criticism of Agent9's fan edit. He cuts out many of the very few scenes in the film that actually divulge character points. Worst off in this edit is Marcus (worst off is actually John Connor who barely has a single dimension; but that's present in the original film). While cutting the prison flashback and some of his talks with Kyle and Blair might work in making him appear to be a wholly new Skynet invention (rather than the brain of a human placed in a Terminator), it robs the film of its only interesting character (well Kyle's good but he has little screen time), in a way. Agent9's new version of Marcus is interesting, but there isn't material to properly flesh him out, so to speak. Plus, we never get to really see why Kyle and Blair become friends with him.
But here I am talking about the negative, when I should really be talking about the positive, considering the high score I'm giving this. I'll be brief, though, much of my feelings have already been covered by other reviewers.
Like I said before, Terminator Salvation is cool movie. That's the best thing it has going for it. So well done to Agent9 for making it even cooler. Firstly, he's removed the glaring plot hole that is the hit list, along with some other stupid bits. Secondly, he's recolored the film, and added some choice musical selections. All this amounts to a pretty awesome edit.
While characterization has been made worse by this edit, nearly everything else has been made better. What's left is a fast and action packed Terminator thrill ride. And maybe that's the best that can come from Terminator Salvation. If so, you'll be glad to know that Agent9 has done a fine job.