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So, I've tried to fix or improve all these things and hopefully make a version of this film that isn't just thrilling cinema but something emotional too. The movie is re-graded using the IMAX version, new music is added and deleted scenes restored and finished. The events of the last act are heavily re-ordered so there is an emotional impulse for the final chase. The last scene has also been tweaked to bring things into continuity with 'Star Trek Beyond'.
A word on the title... the name of the enemy ship is "Vengeance" and a theme running through this film is revenge. The villains and our heroes all must face it's temptation and decide how to react. I hope I've brought that to the fore and I hope you enjoy 'Star Trek Vengeance'.
- Star Trek Into Darkness (Deluxe Soundtrack CD)
- Star Trek Into Darkness: Trailer #2 (Blu-Ray)
- Star Trek '09 (Blu-Ray)
- Contact (Blu-Ray)
- Return of the Jedi (Blu-Ray)
- youtube.com (Various free green-screen VisFX)
- freesound.org (Various SoundFX)
- trekcore.com/audio (Archive Star Trek SoundFX)
Thanks to all the people who offered vital feedback and general encouragement in the project thread including: addiesin, A Sled in Flames, asterixsmeagol, bionicbob, coinilius, dangermouse, hbenthow, ironman23, Canon Editor, DominicCobb, ImperialFighter, L8wrtr, Scar, SkywalkerFan01, Smithers, ssj, That One Guy, thecuddlyninja, ThrowgnCpr, Zarius and Zed.
- NTSC DVD-5
- Blu-Ray (BD-25)
- 11.8gb 1080p MP4 (Includes trailers)
- 3.6gb 720p MP4 (Includes trailers)
- 3.9gb 480p DVD (Includes trailers, menus and chapter selection)
- Regraded movie to remove excessive blue and/or green tinting. It's still a highly saturated and colourful grade but now it's a bit more measured like the 2009 movie. Some scenes/shots are dramatically regraded, some are barely touched.
- Kirk is not now demoted and almost instantly promoted again (Twice). Pike tears strips off him for his recklessness and Kirk feels suitably ashamed.
- Things are re-arranged and refocused to bring the "guilt" for the fallout from Nibiru more onto Spock, for being a bad friend to Kirk and less onto Kirk for being a bad Captain.
- Kirk and Spock don't hate each other again. You have to believe they are friends, for the end to work. Kirk doesn't hold a grudge against Spock for what happened after Nibiru, he's just disappointed in Spock not understanding why he couldn't let him die.
- Uhura no longer spends the first half on the movie sulking because Spock was "selfish" enough to put the fate of entire humanoid species before her feelings. This subplot ruined her character for me. Starfleet officers just don't act this way and she now visibly panics less.
- Khan exposition scenes are trimmed to a minimum. The convoluted plot still needs explaining though!
- Added several deleted scenes and finished them off with music, soundFX, matching colour grades and a few visFX tweaks. This includes some, or all of: 'Niburu Captain's Log', 'Room Attack (Alternate Version)', 'Carol's Accent' and 'Scotty Cargo Bay Door'.
00.00.13 - Added new TM2YC titlecard, which I've remade in 1080p for this edit
00.02.35 - Removed Spock and Kirk explaining the plot and the prime-directive to each other (This is explained again soon after)
00.02.46 - Removed Uhura saying "You got this". The reassuring kiss says it all without the dialogue
00.05.57 - Removed sequence of Spock facing down a ludicrously giant wall of lava that would obviously kill him. We know he's in danger okay! Also footage of natives running moved to later
00.06.03 - Removed sound of Uhura's voice quavering
00.06.04 - Removed Uhura looking panicky. She's a professional, she can deal with stress. Her dialogue now plays over into a closeup of Kirk, so he now reacts quicker too
00.06.36 - Removed shot of Uhura and replaced with shot Spock
00.06.38 - Moved Spock line about the Prime Directive back 'til after Bones speaks
00.06.40 - Removed Spock's "The needs of the many..." line. It just felt like a reference for reference sake to me
00.06.45 - Shortened and reversed shot of Uhura. She now looks less panicked and I also felt the zoom-out has more of a feeling of helplessness
00.07.27 - Inserted sequence of temple being destroyed and natives running, just before Spock saves them. So now in narative terms 'the night is blackest before the dawn'
00.07.38 - Moved shot of natives watching the Enterprise 'til later
00.08.39 - Restored missing use of classic Star Trek theme as Spock beams in. It's on the soundtrack CD and this is where it was supposed to go
00.08.38 - Moved shot of Enterprise flying away 'til later
00.08.50 - Brought forward Spock's "You violated the Prime Directive" line. Also added missing steam/smoke visFX from Spock's "lava-Suit"
00.08.52 - Reworked score and replaced and added soundFX
00.08.58 - Removed Uhura having a tantrum, now she is just relieved Spock is safe.
00.08.59 - Added 'Niburu Captain's Log' deleted scene. Rescored transporter portion with the track 'Sub Prime Directive' and added more soundFX
00.09.02 - Added more missing smoke/steam visFX
00.09.05 - Scored bridge portion of 'Niburu Captain's Log' deleted scene with the track 'Logos / Pranking the Natives'. Also added missing bridge soundFX
00.09.10 - Inserted shot of natives watching the Enterprise to replace unfinished deleted-scene FX shot. Added ash-falling vis-FX
00.09.14 - Added ash-falling vis-FX to long shot of Enterprise
00.09.28 - Inserted shot of Enterprise flying away, to replace partially finished deleted-scene FX shot
00.09.33 - Tweaked background of native shot to finish the visFX
00.09.36 - Removed Kirk's "Oh come on Spock they saw us, big deal?" line as it was redundant with the deleted-scene back in
00.10.02 - Replaced starfield and old title-sequence with footage from 'Contact', played in reverse and motion-tracked to the Enterprise's warp trail, so the ship appears to warp towards our sun
00.10.05 - Replaced Enterprise warp trail with a longer one from later in the movie and matched it's placement to the footage
00.10.08 - Added new "Star Trek Vengeance" title sequence. This combines my own text visFX, parts of the STID trailer #2, added lense-flares and practical FX
00.10.10 - 'Contact' footage slowly animated so by the time the shot ends our Sun is perfectly central in the shot. I also added a spiral motion and a slow zoom to give the shot a gliding, floating feel
00.12.29 - Replaced audio here with 'London Calling' from the soundtrack. This allows the music to play out fully without being rudely interupted by "Beats and shouting"
00.12.37 - Removed scene of Kirk in bed with two girls listening to Beastie Boys and remixed soundFX. This sequence gave the impression Kirk hasn't progressed at all character-wise since the last movie, also his "Hi ladies... Jim Kirk" line in the very next scene shows he's a ladies-man anyway. Plus it comes right after a scene about a child dying, making him seem a bit d,ckish perhaps?
00.13.45 - Removed several shots/lines of Kirk and Spock arguing and insulting each other. Now Pike just cuts them off
00.14.39 - Removed Pike's "..ounce of humility" line, as I added a very similar line in a later scene
00.14.53 - Put two shots together using some visFX. So we see Pike deliver the same line but Kirk now looks back seriously at him, instead of rolling his eyes contemptuously
00.14.54 - Removed about 16 seconds of Kirk arguing back with Pike. Kirk is supposed to respect Pike deeply
00.14.51 - Replaced score with more of the track 'Demotion Emotion'
00.14.57 - Inserted a different reaction shot of Kirk where he looks ashamed at hearing Pike's criticisms
00.15.00 - Removed 30 seconds of footage where Pike demotes Kirk and Kirk continues to argue back
00.15.05 - Removed more dialogue relating to Kirk demotion
00.15.07 - Gradually brought in the sound of the lift early, before the new scene change
00.15.08 - Added "Dismissed" line from 'Original Ending to Pike's Office' deleted-scene
00.15.13 - Brought forward the scene of Kirk and Spock before the meeting. So now they discuss they feelings straight away and "clear the air". I've removed the preceding 30 second conversation in the lift (as it was entirely about the demotion). Scene regraded to look like day
00.15.15 - Changed Spock's "Commander" line to "Captain" so it matches the change in story
00.15.16 - Replaced score over scene to work with new cutting
00.15.36 - Removed about 20 seconds where Spock and Kirk's heart-to-heart is bizarrely interrupted by Spock's new Captain
00.15.38 - Spock's puzzled reaction shot is now in response to Kirk's "Do you understand why I went back for you?". Before it was just a little comical awkward moment, now I think it's a more serious moment revealing that Spock doesn't fully understand his friendship with Kirk
00.15.48 - Removed the very end of the closeup of Spock so the shot ends on him staring reflectively into space, instead of then glancing up after Kirk
00.18.18 - Removed shot that made the bomb blast seem too ludicrously big from one little ring. Also I think it feels more shocking happening faster
00.19.31 - Brought forward closeup shot of Kirk drinking to replace most of a medium shot of Kirk and Pike talking
00.19.31 - Retimed Pike's "I think that's..." line and some of the bar soundfx
00.19.36 - Added "There's greatness in you Jim" line from 'Original Ending to Pike's Office' deleted-scene
00.19.39 - Created new FXshot combining Pike talking over a different shot of Kirk welling up
00.19.40 - Added "But there's not an ounce of humility" line from 'Original Ending to Pike's Office' deleted-scene. So now Kirk's later "I don't know what to say" line is not about thanking Pike, but apologising to him
00.19.45 - Removed about a minute of dialogue about Kirk's Demotion/Promotion and Spock's transfer
00.20.08 - Added 'Astronomical Manhunt' from the soundtrack to lead into the new scene
00.20.17 - Added new layers of Sci-Fi city type soundFX
00.20.36 - Brought forward shot of Spock listening to Marcus
00.20.46 - Pushed back two shots of Spock and Kirk looking at each other. Using this order, it's more a moment where look at each in concern, reacting to the info they are hearing
00.21.50 - Removed a line from Pike about Kirk's demotion
00.22.45 - Brought forward shot of gunfire and flipped it horizontally to match Pike's eye line
00.22.47 - Brought forward footage of Spock tending to the injured
00.22.50 - Started to work in footage and audio from the 'Room Attack (Alternate Version)' deleted scene. This first part shows Kirk alos tending to the injured. All shots have been heavily re-graded to match the finished footage
00.22.51 - Added in some of 'Man vs Blaster' from the soundtrack
00.22.54 - While still broadly following the 'Alternate Version' shot sequence and audio, I've integrated a lot of the finished shots back in
00.22.56 - Divided a Kirk reaction shot in two and inserted a shot of Pike struggling to get back up in between
00.23.03 - Inserted shot of Kirk leaping up
00.23.04 - Flipped shot of Kirk running to match movement better (I strongly suspect I've actually unflipped it)
00.23.07 - Inserted shots of Starfleet troopers being massacred
00.23.10 - Added 'Alternate Version' footage showing Kirk now running to help Pike. Kirk originally just ran off to fight Khan and left Pike to die
00.23.18 - Worked in shorter original version of Khan's ship exterior shot
00.23.20 - Inserted footage of Marcus trying to evacuate the room
00.23.31 - Returned back to Kirk going off to fight Khan, now in this cut, he's checked Pike is being looked after
00.23.58 - Brought forward shot of Spock dragging Pike away
00.27.31 - Again changed Spock's line from "Commander, to "Captain". DigModiFicaTion remixed the audio here, thanks! I then added some subtle "radio crackle" and panned the line over towards the right speaker like the rest of the dialogue
00.28.05 - Removed Kirk asking Marcus for his command back
00.29.09 - Removed Marcus' "You should a heard..." line and retimed Kirk's reaction shot
00.29.55 - Removed dialogue about reinstating Spock
00.29.57 - Rescored scene transition, elongated shot and added zoom in on Kirk's face
00.30.34 - Removed dialogue about Spock's reinstatement
00.30.36 - Inserted different Kirk reaction shot. Hopefully it looks as if he's trying to ignore Spock's "inconvenient" objections
00.30.37 - Removed Kirk sarcastically saying "Of course it is" to Spock
00.30.39 - Removed Spock's "Something you and Admiral Marcus are forgetting" line
00.30.40 - Shortened reaction shot of Kirk
00.30.48 - Removed Kirk sarcastically saying "In case you weren't listening..." to Spock
00.30.54 - Removed the dialogue where Kirk is being insulting to Spock and "name calling". Spock now just cuts in on Kirk to point out he is being defensive (Before the name calling begins)
00.31.06 - Shortened beginning of shot of Kirk looking annoyed
00.31.09 - Shortened end of shot of Kirk looking annoyed
00.31.29 - Brought forward Spock's "Impressive credentials..." line and removed Carol's "Thank you". Also some rescoring
00.31.30 - Kirk now cuts off Spock in mid-sentence. This nicely removes a line about Spock's reinstatement and shows Kirk's irritation at being proved wrong. Also different shot used
00.32.28 - Removed Scotty dialogue about the missiles being "Classified" because it gets a bit silly and because Alice Eve is standing in the back of shot being a terrible actor
00.32.30 - Created "new" shot by playing part of Scotty's reaction to Sulu in reverse and painting out the crew walking around backwards. Also pan up to Sulu removed
00.32.36 - Removed Scotty's "Get down!" line as it was a bit silly and undercut the tension
00.34.31 - Removed entire minute long scene between Kirk and Uhura discussing Spock. Rescored transition and remixed soundFX
00.36.56 - Kirk now looks straight up at Spock, retimed shot and rescored moment
00.37.00 - Changed Kirk saying "You? Happy?", to just "Happy?". So Kirk isn't having a dig at Spock, he's just making light of the situation. Now they are sharing a joke, like friends do
00.38.37 - Removed dialogue where Kirk is asking Spock and Uhura if they can stay professional. Some rescoring
00.38.39 - Created "new" shot by timing Kirk's walk towards Spock with his last line to them, reframing and animating the shot and then rotoscoping Spock from another shot over the top
00.41.28 - Added beeping warning sensor sound. It very slowly gets louder and is timed exactly with the impact from the explosion. Hopefully it works as a sorta subliminal heartbeat
00.41.33 - Brought forward shot of Uhura listening to Spock. Added soundFX too
00.41.36 - Removed 2 minute long scene of Spock and Uhura having a barny in the middle of a dangerous mission behind enemy lines. This was probably the worst scene in the movie and was frankly insulting to Uhura's character
00.41.44 - Swapped 1st and second shots of the Bird of Prey, because I felt that when Kirk says "Hold on!", we needed to then see a more impressive maneuver
00.41.55 - Slightly shortened whip-pan
00.43.54 - Removed shot of Kirk looking uncertain, he should be more decisive. Now the focus is on Spock looking worried for Uhura
00.49.22 - Removed several shots of the beating and Kirk kneeing Khan in the nuts. It just got too silly, less is more
00.49.24 - Brought forward Uhura reaction shot
00.49.25 - Retimed audio of punches
00.52.29 - Removed Kirk's "Shut your mouth" line. I didn't like it
00.56.18 - Added deleted 'Carol's Accent' scene. It fills in an otherwise nonsensical element of the plot and doesn't slow things down. Heavily regraded and TNG engine room hum added
00.56.37 - Deleted scene audio retimed to match finished fxshot of shuttle-bay
00.56.47 - Rescored new scene transition and extra soundFX too
00.56.52 - Removed the truly dreadful "striptease" scene. JJ has apologised for it, so I'm sure given a second chance, he would have made this removal too. Now the scene ends on a little joke between Kirk and Carol
00.57.14 - Retimed Chekov's "Engineering to bridge" line so it happens a second later. Now it better shows Kirk contemplating the implications of there being no response from starfleet
00.57.17 - Removed Chekov's "Er hello?" line
01.00.19 - Rescored new sequence of events and added in many missing soundFX
01.00.21 - Started to integrate shots and dialogue from the deleted 'Scotty Cargo Bay Door' scene. Pegg is hilarious and it's a nice character moment for Scotty. Scenes heavily regraded to match and extra soundFX and rescoring throughout rest of scene
01.00.32 - Inserted shot of shuttle interior to allow removal of some Pegg footage. Remixed audio to include radio static, general soundFX, intercom beeps and rescoring
01.00.55 - Inserted door opening shot and removed more footage of Pegg. Remade audio including longer Jabba's Palace door opening sound and new music
01.00.59 - Replaced surprised reaction shot of Scotty, with funnier deleted "fist pump" reaction. Also removed him looking up at shuttles
01.01.03 - Erased other shuttle craft from shot, removed ending and added lens flare. Now Scotty gets in on his own
01.01.09 - Created "new" shot by playing it backwards and adding a reflection of the doors to the window and lens flares
01.01.11 - Created "new" shot of bay interior. Replaced what Scotty sees through the window with new animated matte painting, so no other shuttles are visible.
01.01.15 - Inserted earlier "USS Vengeance bridge crew requesting entry to construction hanger" line but edited it to remove the words "...requesting entry..."
01.02.11 - Removed long shot so the dramatic pause isn't "overly dramatic"
01.02.35 - Removed Khan talking about the destruction of Vulcan. It's not really relevant exposition to the story. It's only relevant in terms of Star Trek timeline "canonicity"
01.02.39 - Replaced Khan closeup with long shot of Kirk talking
01.02.54 - Removed 3 seconds of the closeup after "My name is Khan", because it has no real impact on the story. It's only relevant to the audience in terms of Star Trek history. I also like it now comes off as Kirk being unimpressed with the name of this once (in)famous warlord, he just continues with the interrogation
01.03.17 - Moved Spock's interruption of Khan 'til later. Khan's exposition just continues but is shortened
01.03.48 - Inserted shot of Kirk giving Khan a penetrating stare
01.03.50 - Added back Spock's interuption under the Kirk stare, so we see Kirk is distracted by the realisation that maybe Khan is telling the truth
01.04.06 - Now Kirk's "No" interruption of Khan, is while Khan is trying to intimidate his friend Spock
01.08.04 - Removed Marcus' "What else did he tell you..." line. It wasn't needed
01.10.37 - Removed Carol having to tell Kirk a second time that she needs to talk to Marcus, while his crew are dying. Now as soon as the shooting stops, he reacts on what she said before it started. Also removed a shot of the crew dying in a fire ball
01.11.38 - Remixed audio to tone down Carol's scream
01.15.03 - Removed dialogue where Kirk is saying he's unfit to be a Starship Captain. Say whaaaaat? Rescored and added soundFX
01.16.55 - Removed Spock asking Uhura to contact Ambassador Spock. Sorry Leonard Nimoy, this and all other scenes are removed. Rescored and soundFX added
01.23.23 - Removed first Spock/Spock video-chat scene and brought forward Khan running scene. Rescored new transition, remade soundFX and removed Scotty's "There gonna have.." line
01.23.38 - Removed second Spock/Spock video-chat scene and brought forward 'Spock's plan' scene. Rescored new transition and remade soundFX
01.24.01 - Rescored and remade soundFX to create new transition into the scene of Carol meeting Marcus
01.24.01 - Rescored and remade soundFX to create new transition into the Scotty/Kirk/Khan fight scene
01.24.56 - Removed start of scene where Khan goes missing so it plays as a continuation of the fight. Retimed dialogue, rescored and remade soundFX. Also flipped first shot to better match character placement
01.34.48 - Removed Spock telling the bridge crew to evacuate (Who is gonna pilot the ship afterwards?) and Sulu telling him they all would prefer to die. It seems a tad presumptuous of Sulu, having not actually canvassed for opinions. Also refusing Spock's order was silly anyway. Now we just see him put on his seat belt with Sulu. Rescored and remixed soundFX
01.32.54 - Removed the whole scene where Kirk and Scotty hang of the gantry. It was pointless, repetitious and rather silly action, for action sake. Rescored and soundFX added
01.40.51 - Added missing sounds of Kirk's hand on the glass
01.40.59 - Again added missing sounds of Kirk's hand on the glass
01.41.26 - Removed Spock's "Khaaaaannnn!" scream. Rescored transition and soundFX added
01.42.33 - Rescored 2nd half of crash and remixed soundFX
01.42.48 - Brought forward Bones unzipping Kirk's bodybag, this is the first change in bringing Kirk's revival much further forward. So Spock is chasing Khan for his blood and not just revenge. Rescored transition and soundFX added
01.43.33 - Brought forward Bones starting to work on Kirk and added to first scene so they are now one. Removed Bones' "Get this guy out of the cryo-tube" line since it's now redundant. Remixed audio
01.43.44 - Changed Bone's line to "McCoy to bridge... Spock!". Added lens-flare. Remixed audio, rescored and added soundFX
01.43.46 - Removed scene of Kirk freezing to later and created rotating zoom in on Bones' face. Remixed audio, rescored and added soundFX
01.43.53 - Created new transition from Bones contacting Spock, to Spock running onto the bridge, so it appears Spock is responding to Bones' message. Replaced score, added soundFX and remixed audio
01.44.43 - Added "Hero" musical sting for Spock as he chases off to save Kirk. Replaced score, soundFX and remixed audio
01.44.49 - Brought forward scene of Kirk being frozen, inserted between Spock leaving the bridge and arriving at the transporter. Replaced score, added soundFX and remixed audio
01.44.56 - Remixed audio and dialogue, replaced score and added soundFX over new transition
01.45.47 - Shortened shot of Spock running, removed Khan running into traffic and removed the first Bones scene
01.45.49 - Shortened shot of Khan running and removed Khan still running into traffic
01.46.40 - Removed the second Bones scene and removed two shots of Khan strangling Spock, so now the fight continues seamlessly
01.46.55 - Removed 30-second section of fight where they pointlessly both jump onto a second identical cargo-ship. By doing a match cut and remixing the audio and music, they now appear to stay on the first cargo-ship
01.47.08 - Removed the third Bones scene, so now we cut straight to Sulu mid fist-fight. Music and audio remixed. Sulu's question is now shortened into an order "Beam them up to the ship", instead of "Can we beam them up to the ship?"
01.48.01 - Removed Uhura's "He's our only chance to save Kirk" line. In this cut Spock already know this and Uhura is simply trying to make Spock come to his senses
01.51.27 - Removed scene of Carol on the bridge and inserted a heavily re-graded shot of Spock and Uhura from ST'09 (That creates a match cut to the next shot). Carol is not in ST:Beyond, so to keep continuity it's best to not have her in this final scene. Score and audio remixed
01.51.31 - Removed start of Spock walking shot, so it matches his movement from the new shot. Also re-timed the dialogue with their body language so they are saying "Spock... Captain" as a friendly greeting to each other.
02.00.45 - Added fanedit credits and thanks
Original Running Time: 132 Minutes
Fanedit Running Time: 121 Minutes
Time Added: 4 Minutes
Time Cut: 15 Minutes
I saw Star Trek: Into Darkness a few times when it first came out. It was a movie I really enjoyed upon the first viewing but thought less of on each subsequent viewing and haven't had a desire to return to since, until I was able to grab TM2YC's edit that is.
The one word I would use to describe this edit is "seamless". The tight, invisible editing that TM2YC has employed emphasizes the movies strengths while downplaying the moments that felt silly or forced in the original, all while not drawing attention to itself. Certain elements endemic to the plot (Khan's magic blood etc.) can't be fixed but they don't feel as unforgivable because the movie is tighter and the characters more likable on the whole. The movie now has the energy and charisma that propelled the 2009 film that preceded it. Overall I highly recommend this edit to anyone inclined to give this movie another chance.
This is a great edit, expertly handled to create a movie far superior to the original.
I'm definitely in the camp of those who were very disappointed with Into Darkness when I first saw it at the cinema, the worst flaw for me (amongst many) being that it felt like a shameless 'greatest hits' rip off (KHAN!!!!)
Kirk's death scene had little emotional impact, because it hadn't earned it. Kirk and Spock didn't seem to have known each other for very long or have much of a friendship. Although the film grew on me with time, really I only tolerated it.
Well I'm happy to say that TM2YC has done an amazing job and showed that there was a great movie under there all the time. The movie has a theme now - Vengeance. The narrative is so much better, the story is no longer muddled and all over the place. The crew seem like they've been together a while (not just 5 minutes after the last film) Kirk and Spock's characters are vastly improved, they seem like friends and Kirk's death genuinely has an emotional impact now. For me this edit has taken a 6/10 movie up to a 9/10 enjoyment wise. I think he's succeeded in all of the things he set out to do with it.
I watched both the bluray and 720p MP4. I've seen it 3 times now, which is the same amount of times I watched ITD. It's improved each time. I think a fanedit (usually) deserves at least 2 watches before making your mind up as you'll often remember what happened before and what's been cut, and (for me at least) it takes a couple of watches to start overwriting the old version in my mind. Of course there's still some flaws in the film that can't be changed, just bad writing or casting in the original movie, but I feel like I can live with them more now.
TM2YC's Video editing is seamless, beautifully done. There's a couple of bits (very rare) where there's a noticeable cut but they have to be like that to make the narrative work. Nothing too major anyhow. After I'd watched it the first time, I then read through his entire list of changes and what TM2YC has accomplished is just amazing. He's done so much more than I ever noticed, which is a testament to how well he's edited it. Love the colour correction too.
The sound editing is good. I liked his moving of small amounts of dialogue to other scenes, worked well. New music was fine for the most part. And I think it's a Stereo mix, could be wrong. Most of the audio was fine, although some talking scenes seemed a little quiet now and again. But overall, very good.
There were a couple of things that I was not sure about. I agree with some other reviewers that the line "it's gonna be alright son" (said in the bar scene by Pike) and the look Kirk gives back feels a little out of place in the new narrative. Although, who knows perhaps TM2YC tried it differently and it didn't work.
Also the scene where Spock and Urura kiss also seems out of place, the edit could easily do without it. And finally right at the end of the Spock/Khan fight, I did wonder whether Spock would/should still be as uncontrolled and violent given the new narrative? Still not sure. And at the point where Uhura tells Spock to stop, perhaps they could've just had one look back and forth before he takes him down?
But anyway these issues are tiny compared to just how great this edit is. It's excellent and I can now proudly display it on my shelf.
TM2YC has managed to drag this movie firmly out of the darkness and into the light. Well done TM2YC, and thank you!
I have seen Into darkness a fair number of times and while I like it quite a lot, I don't love it. I own it for the sake of completion.
There are a number of things wrong with the original film, and some of them are still prevalent in this edit (a guy can only do so much without making the film Jarring.) TM2YC has made the best possible version of the film with there could be - without resorting to reshoots. This missing 15 minutes of Spock & Kirk, Spock & Uhara, and Original Spock are not missed. Neither is the obvious fan service scene. With the necessary cuts this feels a lot closer to 09 than the cluttered mess it originally was. Things only happen when they need to, Friendships are reinstated, Kirk is not reinstated...because he doesn't get demoted in the first place.
A/V: were prefect, crisp quality, no ghosting, audio was clear and precise.
Editing: even though I know where scenes should be I try to imagine how I'd feel if I was watching the film for the first time and I think a fantastic job has been done here. Nothing feels deliberate or out of place, the pacing is much improved.
Story: Though I wouldn't have minded to see a little more (young) spock I didn't miss the omissions. The story feels more purposed with just the right balance of exposition, action and humour, scenes such the demotion just serve to create a fake mcguffin and are not missed at all.
I think this edit is definitely worth a viewing, but for me personally it's replaced the original, even if the ending still leaves something to be desired.
Into Darkness is a mess of a film. Lots of great moments and scenes and characters, but its bogged down by fifty extra sub plots, a main plot that doesn't make much sense, a lack of overall focus, and a really contrived and awful ending (I don't know about you, but its totally in Spock's character to beat a man within an inch of his life). So I haven't seen the original film in maybe a year or more, so I was ready to be blown away by TM2YC as I often am. Star Trek Vengeance fixes and improves upon most of Into Darkness' original problems!
I was surprised at how much I found myself enjoying the edit. I was trying to remember any differences between this and the original movie (beyond obvious omissions like the strip tease scene, the Kirk bedding two cat ladies scene, and the Nimoy scenes). One specific thing I remember in the original film was that Spock and Kirk were always at each other's throats, which made no sense and was clunky and confused. TM2YC has streamlined that friendship and made them so much more believable! I had to look at the cutlist and rewatch parts of the original film to get a full sense of how this relationship was changed. Also, I had forgotten about the terribly awful Spock/Uhura sub plot, and its omission is a blessing. Now they both feel like real people and not a movie-couple! So much effort was put into this edit, and every single cut made payed off. Vengeance is a great follow-up to 2009 Trek.
I think my only criticism is something that might not have been fixable. I absolutely despise the final action scene, Spock chasing down Khan and punching him forever (and my brain is telling me that Spock starts swearing at Khan). I'm curious if there may have been a way to omit this sequence and somehow end the movie differently. That being said, the small but amazing cuts made to this sequence made it much more enjoyable for me, though I still wasn't a fan. That might be personal preference, and it might not be possible to change that ending. But I must reiterate, this edit is great and needs to go into any modern-Trek lover's library.
An excellent effort by TM2YC. I hadn't revisited the theatrical cut of this film since it first came out on video. I liked it okay but never really felt compelled to revisit it. Thanks to this fanedit, it has been improved a lot in my opinion.
A/V Quality - 10/10 - Looked spectacular, just as good my BD to my eye. Using the IMAX version was really smart and added grander scale to some shots.
Visual Editing - 10/10 - No noticeable cuts to me. It wasn't just that stuff was excised, it's that shots were repurposed and used for different effect. The Kirk/Spock argument was a great example of this, as well as the bar scene. Glancing at the cutlist after was pretty impressive; there were so many little touches and tweaks that were invisible.
Audio Editing - 10/10 - Everything sounded great. I'm not sure there was a lot changed but the score felt more continuous than I remember. I think the main theme was used a bit more, I think.
Narrative - This is where the edit shines. Khan is still not a great character but his exposition dumps are as limited as can be. Kirk and Spock's relationship tracks a lot better for me. Kirk isn't fired and then given command back right away for no real reason (and in this Kirk's dressing down works much better). Uhura's not a bundle of emotional nerves for no real reason at a time where it makes no real sense. There's no tacked on Vulcan talk and cameo. Carol is a lot less awful. Spock's raging bloodthirst now makes more sense (it's emotional AND logical now. Perfect for a Vulcan.) All of these benefits are basically at the cost of Uhura's role being reduced (sucks but I'd rather have her reduced and with some dignity) and Carol feeling like a walking plot device (that doesn't pay off). But in the original she was basically a walking plot device that doesn't pay off while also stripping and acting terribly. So, the character's big moment didn't play in the original really, either.
Enjoyment - 9/10 - TM2YC has turned a 6.5 for me into a 9. There are some inherent flaws in the script that really can't be changed, but I think the editor improved just about everything that could be improved.
Oh, and I didn't even mention the color grade. Huge improvement for me. It's fascinating what a little vibrancy can do to the tone of a film. I also have a shit eye for colors so take that with a huge grain of salt. :)