Groucho Marxist

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Groucho Marxist
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Tagline:
A Vaudeville Tragicomedy in 45 minutes,
"all that is solid melts into air"
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Original Release Date:
2019
Original Running Time:
122
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Fanedit Running Time:
46
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Brief Synopsis:
This edit aims to streamline Joker into a story of class struggle (though a bit of a tongue in cheek one) and less of a Scorsese pastiche superimposed on the Batman universe.
Intention:
Todd Phillip's original film touches on but never fully addresses a variety of concepts (daddy issues, what is comedy, romantic delusions about your neighbor, etc.). By refocusing on class themes and redirecting the use of violence/humor (such as motivations for violence), this edit hopes to present a clearer and less pitiful narrative arc for Arthur, as well as provide more room to laugh in the process.
Additional Notes:
I made most of this edit in about a day cause I thought Groucho Marxist was a funny name. I hope you enjoy watching as much as I did editing.
Special Thanks:
jrWHAG42 for the initial feedback that really helped refine the final cut.
Release Information:
Digital
Cuts and Additions:
- Added opening prologue of Groucho Marx from an interview on Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Is the World Funny?
- Removed romantic subplot with Sophie neighbor entirely.
- Moved Arthur’s stand up routine (originally after first murder) near the beginning of the film. This now serves to introduce his anxious laughing tick. Cut around Sophie as this was part of their date sequence.
- Removed subplot regarding Arthur’s quest for a father figure (i.e. fantasy scene with Murray, whole Thomas Wayne/adoption storyline)
- Cut social worker/Arthur relationship to only their last session. Removed on-the-nose line “They don’t care about people like you, Arthur… or people like me for that matter”
- Re-arranged order of mother’s death and Arthur’s first murder. Originally, the murders occur before his mom is hospitalized - now her death acts as part of the catalyst to Arthur’s subway murders.
- Cut around Arthur suffocating his mother with pillow as result of the Thomas Wayne/adoption storyline. Her death is now ambiguous and occurs the night she’s hospitalized/Arthur is mocked on Murray.
- Removed instances of inter-violence among lower class characters (Opening assault over sign, Arthur murdering his co-worker). We still elude to Arthur getting jumped, but it’s only referenced by his bruises, his co-worker, or Arthur to his boss. The first time we see Arthur physically beaten is by the Wall Street Boys (this keeps the focus on class)
- Cut around his mother when Arthur is watching the news about the murders (since this now occurs after his mother’s death)
- Added reprisal of Claude Boiling’s Temptation Rag to the cop chase bit.
- Trimmed Murray scenes (removed pre-show introductions, re-cut interview to be less of a film “thesis” and feel more in line with narrative) Removed dialogue like “you decide what’s right or wrong the same way you decide what’s funny and not”
- Added new ending track, Joy by Satellite Orchestra. Thought it brought some humor to the end and tied the character arc of Arthur finally finding acceptance in class solidarity.
- For sake of bookending Groucho Marx opener, added Karl Marx quote to close the film.
- Removed psychiatric hospital ending.
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9.8
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Wow. I hope this doesn't sound pessimistic, but I didn't expect to like this so much. I actually liked Joker a lot, and didn't really believe a 45min edit could produce anything solid when this first came out. But after such great reviews, I had to at least SEE it. Boy am I glad I did.

I'm still kinda stunned by it. Its simply amazing. I am shocked at how much stuff was taken out, and even more stunned at how the film was actually better for it. It feels less preachy about SO MANY THNGS, and shows a solid origin story that felt longer than it was, in the best way. This is what GREAT fanediting looks like.

Thanks Doggo Moon!
T
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There is not much i can add that other reviewers have not already stated.
So in the vein of the edit its self here is a review with all the fat cut out of it.
the Groucho Marxist edit of the Joker gets straight to the point with out compromising the over all plot of the original film, with a break neck pace replacing most of the drawn out build up and character study.

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Groucho Marxist gets straight to the point of Joker and is arguably a more impactful film in the end. The inclusion of The Firing Line interview at the beginning of the film and the stripped down narrative, with a very fitting quote to end the film, Groucho Marxist elevates Joker from a great film, to a profound a one. Nothing feels missed, there's no weird and jarring cuts, if anything it feels like a professional edit.

What I loved most about this edit is the fact that the story has a much clearer message in the end that I think fits very well within the framework of this particular Joker story.

I honestly don't know if I'll ever watch the theatrical release again after having watched Doggo Moon's edit... It's just so much more enjoyable... And that's not to say the original release isn't fantastic or anything, but this just gets to the point. It cuts out the neighbours subplot, the psych ward aspects are gone, Arthur killing his coworkers has been omitted and yet none of those things are particularly missed. There's some more subtle edits and changes here and there but those are the major changes.

This review gets what it f***ing deserves! A 10/10

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Joker cut down to 45 minutes doesn't sound possible, but it works surprisingly well. A few corners are cut, events being mentioned but not shown, it's a bit weird but it's not like it doesn't still make sense. Other than a couple things like Joker being assaulted with his sign stolen, I really didn't notice anything missing. When I hear people talking about a plot point that wasn't included in this edit like the girlfriend, I have to do a double take. This edit really illustrates how unnecessary most of the movie is. I loved the movie, but I really see myself more apt to revisit this edit than the regular film.

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9.3
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Joker was a good film but a bit drawn out to feature length. “Groucho Marxist” collects the best parts of Joker into a quick, concise story. Excellent cutting and re-ordering of scenes throughout. Arthur’s descent happens much more quickly, which the re-ordering of scenes explains. Much higher pace than the original. All subplots (that I thought were unnecessary) were cut. Great new opening. This edit kept in character development, and was not just plot driven, despite being under 45mins. The ending credits gave the edit a political message, which I felt wasn’t needed.

The only scene I would’ve not cut was when Arthur gets jumped at the beginning, as it explains how his sign was lost, and why he gets a gun, both of which are referenced in this edit.

Overall, I highly recommend this edit. I am often biased to shorter, higher paced films so I really enjoyed this one.

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