The detractors would have it that the film was a total train-wreck but I think it's actually a good movie... wrecked in the editing room. They tried to squeeze in as much of their cast improving jokes as they could and forgot to concentrate on the story and people. It felt choppy and incoherent as scenes are constantly interrupted by irrelevant improved jokes. Worst of all, no character felt real, as they all say crazy out-of-character and out-of-reality stuff. Holtzmann can say and do crazy stuff because that is who she is, everyone else should act like they exist in a real world. Then we will believe in them, get invested in them and laugh along with their problems.
'Ghostbusters III' features extra deleted material, no painful Bill Murray cameo and no terrible Fallout Boy cover song.
Deleted Scenes and Alternate Takes (Ghostbusters 2016 Blu-Ray Bonus Disc)
Ghostbusters 2016 (Soundtrack)
Ghostbusters 1984 (Soundtrack)
Ghostbusters Meets Metal by 331Erock (YouTube)
www.freesound.org (Various soundFX)
- This fanedit is mostly about removing lines that interfere with the flow of character and plot. I probably removed 75% of the jokes, so now the 25% that remain have room to breath
- Specifically I removed as much of the "improv" humour as possible. It's clear to anyone that the Director got the cast to improv humour endlessly. The problem is that too much of it was left in. Even when it's interrupting story, or contradicting character
- This version actually contains "straight men". No one in either original version acts in a realistic fashion, everybody is a wacky comedy character, so nobody has any comedy impact. For example, the tour guide in the opening scene no longer says any bizarre improv lines. He's just a real guy, who gets real scared. I find this also has the effect of now making Holtzman stand out in a good way for her funny antics. "straight men" include: Dr Filmore, Ed Mulgrave, Gareth (the tour guide), Mayor Bradley, Jennifer (the mayor's assistant), Dean Shanks, the theater Manager and to a lesser extent agents Hawkins/Rourke, as they are real people but also idiots (The kind of real idiots that find themselves in positions of power) so it's okay for them to be a bit buffoonish
- Cameos AWOL = Bill Murray because he looked depressed to be there, Ozzy Osbourne because it was just awful and sadly the bust of Harold Ramis (It was in a scene I didn't use). The other cameos were fun and the actors looked to be enjoying themselves so they stayed in
- Removed many interchangeable and generic reaction lines (mostly from Patty) of the "You have got to be kidding me!", "I vote we don't do that", "Are you serious?", "Oh damn", "This is just wrong" and "Awww hell no!/Awww hell yeah!" variety. If you can't write a memorable line for a character, then have them stay silent
- A few deleted scenes and takes are added (about 4 minutes) including the crucial scene of Erin returning to the University. It's arguably the key emotional scene, which pays off at the end, so it was bizarre that it was not included in either official cut
- Opening scene has all jokes removed to hopefully make it genuinely spooky (This is also done at points later in the edit). I've also held back the ghostFX to save it for when the Ghostbusters arrive at the mansion
00.00.13 - Added new TM2YC titlecard, which I've remade in 1080p for this edit
00.01.16 - Removed somewhat presumptuous "Ghost Corps" logo
00.01.26 - Removed 30 seconds of the tour guide improving nonsensical and irrelevant lines about "Enslaving Elephants". He's a "straight man" so doesn't say silly stuff
00.01.44 - Inserted shot of mansion interior to cover removal and rescored transition, plus added soundFX
00.02.21 - Removed tour guides' improv line about Gertrude. Recut footage and rescored transition
00.03.25 - Brought forward first door handle rattle to cover removal of candlestick trick. In this cut the ghost really did knock over the candlestick. Recut footage and added soundFX
00.03.53 - Horizontally flipped two shots of guide after hand burning, to better match new cuts
00.03.54 - Removed one shot of guide being thrown, so it's less extreme
00.04.27 - Removed 8 second chair flying scene. It felt like the paranormal activity ramped up too fast. I wanted the big reveals to be saved for our heroes
00.04.16 - Brought forward title music to time with door slam
00.04.18 - Removed 30 second scene showing the ghost, slime and the stairs collapsing. Again this was showing way to much, way too early
00.04.19 - Added "III" to title-card and reframed skyline shot for new longer title
00.04.36 - Removed Phil calling Erin "sweetheart". The scene is about establishing that she isn't his sweetheart
00.05.40 - Removed the second non-kiss with Phil. It was too much and I think the actor is corpsing
00.06.14 - Removed some of the Erin improv humour as she leaves. Rescored and recut new sequence
00.06.16 - Inserted alternate-take of Erin jumping imaginary cracks as she leaves, a development of the earlier joke, instead of her randomly pulling some dudes ponytail
00.06.31 - Removed two shots and shortened the silly dancing. Now Ed's arrival is really a surprise
00.07.48 - Removed Ed's improv like about knowing how to read. It makes no sense for him to say that as he is a "straight man"
00.08.30 - Removed about 30 seconds of improv and Filmore criticizing Erin's clothes. He'd be up before an employment tribunal! Rescored and added soundFX
00.10.12 - Replaced Abby's stupid improv lines about getting a mini-fridge (It makes no sense for her character) with an alternate-take about her getting a podcast. Much more grounded and funnier too. Rescored and soundFX added
00.10.39 - Brought forward Erin giving Abby a sarcastic look while she is still going off about flying babies
00.10.42 - Shortened some of the flying baby improv
00.11.58 - Silenced Abby's improv line, that steps all over Holtzman's darkly comic line about the CERN guy being in a coma
00.12.55 - Replaced/redubbed lame EVP fart-gag with a sample from the movie "Ghost" (Addiesin's idea). I especially like it because ladies who are the age of these characters would definitely dig a Swayze reference
00.12.59 - Added soundFX and recut reaction shots
00.13.02 - Removed a few fart-specific reaction lines
00.13.51 - Removed Abby being nasty to Erin as they leave the lab. It feels like they should be too caught up the Aldritch excitement to remember they aren't still best friends
00.15.13 - Removed a few improv poop lines and recut Erin's reaction shots. We go straight to Abby asking for a soil sample. It's what a scientist with no regard for social norms would do!
00.15.15 - Removed Ed's improv line about the soiling. Why would a real person say that?
00.15.23 - Removed Gareth being sarcastic to Erin. He's still too in-shock to be sassy
00.15.49 - Removed Abby scoffing. It was overplayed
00.15.52 - Removed Holtzman messing around with the video camera. All her nonsense undercuts the spookiness during this sequence, so has been cut back
00.15.55 - Removed more camera nonsense. Remixed Abby's dialogue and added soundFX
00.16.25 - Removed part of Erin's walk in and Holtzman and Abby's first shot
00.16.27 - Removed Abby improving "Just your mom" and the response lines. It felt out of character
00.16.48 - Removed Abby improving the line "I didn't even know it did that". She designed the PKE meter, of course she knew. A contender for the stupidest improv in the whole movie
00.17.06 - Removed Holtzman ruining the spookiness by eating Pringles. Rescored transition
00.17.50 - Removed hysterical line from Abby
00.18.03 - Removed another Pringles eating shot which interrupts the sliming
00.18.17 - Removed Holtzman shouting something in a silly voice
00.18.34 - Removed moment with Abby getting slimed that interrupts the euphoria
00.19.13 - Removed Erin improving silly lines as she walks down the corridor. I wanted to speed this up a lot but still make it humiliating for the character
00.19.19 - Removed more of Erin improving lines
00.19.30 - Removed one last improv line and reworked the audio
00.20.54 - Removed improv meta-humour lines about youtube comments
00.22.17 - Removed 30 seconds of Dean Shanks improving about flipping the bird. Now we just cut on Erin giving him some sass
00.23.00 - Retimed and Patty lines about jacket and cut improv sweater line (It isn't a sweater)
00.23.03 - Cropped first shot of Rowan a bit tighter
00.23.46 - Removed Patty's improving about Starbucks. I've removed most of her dialogue in this scene. She is talky but not when she's scared
00.24.05 - Removed insane line where Patty doesn't realise a floating blue apparition isn't a normal human customer. Recut shots to cover removal
00.24.27 - Removed Patty saying a generic reaction line
00.24.36 - Removed Patty saying another generic reaction line
00.24.38 - Silenced yet another generic reaction line from Patty
00.24.42 - Removed 1 minute long Rowan scene (including his nonsensical 4th-wall break) and remixed music and soundFX into new transition to the Ghostbusters. I wanted to keep the mystery of who Rowan is 'til later
00.25.23 - Removed original musical intro into Chinese restaurant and about 15 seconds of yet more Wonton improv. Instead we simply go straight into the DeBarge dance. Mixed in new introduction to the song. Added street soundFX. Recut footage
00.26.06 - Removed Abby's bad DeBarge pun and 30 seconds of nonsense about the leaflet. Created new outro to the music as Kevin walks in. Added new soundFX
00.28.04 - Removed 30 seconds of Kevin's "Mike Hat/My Cat" improv. I actually thought it was a very funny routine but it's just a bit irrelevant in plot terms
00.28.40 - Removed 45 seconds of logo improv. Holtzman's "Ghost t,ts" line was funny enough to end on, the rest just gets silly
00.28.57 - Removed the dialogue about Abby saying she doesn't find Kevin attractive. Something that is contradicted multiple times later on. It also undercuts the whole reason they keep Kevin on, despite his flaws. Recut footage and reworked audio to cover removal
00.30.00 - Removed Patty's silly improv line about electricity
00.30.28 - Removed the graffiti artist line about a boat. It just interrupts Patty's logical reaction
00.30.55 - Removed a few seconds of Patty telling the guy to stop. It got silly
00.31.24 - Shortened establishing shot of tunnel
00.31.29 - Removed 20 seconds of improv about the third rail and urine
00.32.00 - Removed Patty's line about dirty garbage
00.33.19 - Removed the first failure of the Proton beam prototype. It felt anti-climatic and redundant for me as narratively it fails anyway because it's not powerful enough. Recut footage and reworked audio
00.33.54 - Removed Patty's improv line about Queens. The one line about scary people on the train was enough and was actually very funny. Recut footage and replaced part of the audio
00.35.26 - Removed Patty's improv line about The Rock
00.35.33 - Removed a line about seeing Patty. It's funnier without and removes the phone ringing soundFX
00.35.35 - Removed a whole minute of improv about Kevin that was awkwardly spliced between two lines about Patty joining "the club". Now the two lines play uninterrupted
00.36.07 - Totally recut Patty arriving with the hearse. Added soundFX. Removed many lines of improv, including lame and out-of-date pop culture references. Remixed audio. Added two alternate takes of Patty, graded them to match
00.36.39 - Removed 90 second sequence of Rowan at work. Again it's showing too much of him, too early. Added soundFX and reworked audio to create new transition
00.37.29 - Removed Abby improv line about an impressive purr. Plus we can hear it, without the dialogue telling us we can hear it
00.37.38 - Removed several shots of Abby flying around
00.37.46 - Replaced library-music Metal song with 'Ghostbusters Meets Metal' by youtube musician 331Erock
00.37.51 - Removed more shots of Abby flying around and replaced dialogue audio
00.38.27 - Removed Abby improv line about Karate Cats
00.40.50 - Added earlier phone ringing soundFX, rescored scene and cropped shot of Patty tighter to remove Erin
00.40.53 - Removed 1 minute first cameo from Bill Murray
00.42.09 - Removed Abby and Patty improving lines that interrupt Erin's emotional scene
00.42.24 - Removed 45 seconds of Abby and Patty improving lines that interrupt Erin's emotional scene. Added soundFX
00.42.55 - Replaced music with classic Ghostbusters theme (my own vocal and instrumental mix) as I did not like the Fallout Boy cover.
00.43.01 - Removed Holtzman playing a trick on Erin in front of her a,,hole boyfriend. Her new friends should be supportive, not embarrassing her too
00.43.02 - Totally recut first trip in the "Science mobile" sequence. Replaced all soundFX from Erin getting in the hearse to the theatre manager speaking, including street noise, car sounds, siren, footsteps, clothes, doors etc. Recut and reordered footage to match flow of new music
00.43.30 - Removed awkward "Let's go" scene. It interrupts my new "They're badasses" flow
00.43.49 - Removed little 15 second scene about the janitor being traumatised. Is there supposed to be a running gag of Erin thinking she can speak Spanish? It falls flat both times and makes no sense
00.43.53 - Removed the rest of the theatre managers 30 second scene. He is just there to show the GBs in and not improv silly lines. Rescored and added soundFX
00.44.02 - Removed Holtzman's wig improv, it undercuts the spookiness. Rescored and soundFX added
00.44.28 - Removed Patty improving pop-culture references for no reason. Added soundFX
00.46.14 - Removed Patty screaming about the bad music
00.46.33 - Removed the whole 90 second crowd-surfing and ghost on Patty's shoulders section. It was very silly and the ghost on the shoulders looked bad
00.46.35 - Inserted shot of theatre-manager and Abby saying "Alright ladies, light 'em up"
00.46.36 - Mixed in audio of sequential igniting of proton-beams and cut footage to match timing
00.46.39 - Removed Patty shouting a generic reaction line
00.47.28 - Removed Patty saying some silly line and a shot of her running. Instead I replaced it with a stunned silence. soundFX added.
00.48.06 - Removed Ozzy Osborne cameo because it was embarrassingly awful
00.48.55 - Removed a straight 5.5 minutes of footage featuring dancing, Holtzman doing some Proton pack upgrades, Bill Murray's second painful cameo, Erin releasing the ghost which made her look stupid, explaining things to a Cop, the Ghostbusters being escorted away by the FBI and some improv nonsense by the Mayor. All this had to go to remove Bill Murray, as just after the very public Rock concert, was the only believable point to cut straight to the Mayor's office without explanation. Rescored new transition, added soundFX and remixed dialogue. Nuking the whole 5.5 minutes from orbit was the only way to be sure
00.50.06 - Removed Holtzman shouting "Whaaaattt?!!" in a way that was too silly even for her zany character
00.51.07 - Removed 20 seconds of improv about cats in bags and covered with a reaction shot
00.51.53 - Removed insert shot of FBI business card and part of FBI line. Just what was the joke supposed to be?
00.52.15 - Removed a few seconds of the door shenanigans
00.52.19 - Removed 20 seconds of FBI improv. Cut on door slam straight to the alleyway tests
00.54.28 - Removed 15 seconds of Kevin talking about Bill Murray's now absent cameo
00.57.16 - Removed second part of the not-at-all funny gag about Erin talking Spanish. It interrupted the plot too
01.00.04 - Removed Rowan's silly "They're mostly dudes" line. At this point, before getting his ghost powers, Rowan should be serious and not be delivering jokes
01.00.19 - Removed 10 seconds of "Pestering" silliness
01.00.25 - Removed Holtzman saying "Apocalypse" the second time, so it's now like it was in the trailers. Rescored transition
01.02.57 - Removed the Mayor's assistant improving a pop-culture reference
01.05.04 - Removed Dean Shanks advertising his new album. Abby just cuts him off. Added remote off soundFX
01.05.34 - Added reversed, and zoom-panned establishing shot of Columbia University. Added soundFX and more laughter
01.05.37 - Added deleted scene of Erin returning to the University. Graded to match
01.05.42 - Removed a minute of dialogue between Erin and Dr Filmore. The simple gag is that she believes he will have her back, it doesn't need laid on with a trowel
01.05.45 - Removed a small amount of Erin dialogue
01.05.59 - Removed 30 seconds of Dr Filmore improv and Erin being led down the corridor again. It was the same scene as earlier all over again, plus we've had closure on Phil already. We just cut straight outside now
01.07.29 - Combined two shots by isolating and inserting Abby leaving over the top of the second reaction shot of Erin
01.07.33 - Removed Abby saying take care of yourself. It sounded a bit too final for my taste. Rescored moment
01.07.52 - Added elements from the deleted version of the scene of Erin sitting in bed. Regraded to match. Sound and music mixed with the movie version. SoundFX added
01.08.48 - Added deleted scene where Abby checks the spooky stairwell twice. Graded to match
01.10.24 - Removed Rowan improving jokes about the slime. He now stays in character and we get the classic "...and then the world... woo-ha-ha-ha...ha-ha-ha" Doctor Evil style villain line
01.10.32 - Removed a few shots of the projectile vomiting. It stopped looking horrid and started to look like an effect
01.10.59 - Brought forward Lotus-Leaf restaurant scene so now it occurs just after Erin says the line "Lotus Leaf?"
01.10.63 - Removed more insane improv lines from the Mayor. Replaced audio in establishing shot
01.12.07 - Added establishing shot of GB-HQ and replaced audio. Remixed dialogue from Erin and Patty over the top
01.13.17 - Removed Patty improving lines in the middle of a fight scene
01.13.32 - Removed silly looking shot of Patty running and screaming. Now we only hear her
01.13.45 - Removed comedy fight parts from what is supposed to be a serious life-threatening moment
01.13.48 - Removed Abby saying "Hi Patty/Patricia" again in the space of a minute
01.13.52 - Removed Patty's terrible "The devil is ali-ive!" scream. Now Abby's head whips round super-fast, Linda Blair style
01.14.15 - Removed Patty's terrible "The power of Patty compels you!" screamed pop-culture reference
01.14.43 - Added bass rumble as Rowan flexes his arms. I thought we should hear something?
01.14.55 - Removed two shots of Rowan riding the motorcycle, so now both motorcycle scenes play as one
01.17.24 - Removed 12 second scene of Dr Filmore in a bar. It's not needed and isn't funny
01.17.48 - Removed a couple of lines of Dan Aykroyd talking about scientific ghost stuff. I liked his cameo but his character shouldn't know this stuff
01.18.18 - Removed Holtzman improv line
01.18.40 - Removed 15 seconds of Slimer driving the car away and then driving it right back again. Now Abby just shouts "Light him up!" as soon as he closes the car door
01.18.44 - Removed generic reaction line from Patty
01.18.46 - Inserted shot of Slimer putting his foot on "The gas". It now just plays as if he's starting from a few feet away, instead of the other end of the street
01.19.49 - Removed generic reaction line from Patty
01.20.05 - Removed balloon fart-gag by trimming a few shots
01.20.13 - Removed generic reaction line from Patty
01.21.59 - Removed Rowan line about jumpsuits. One a,,hole line from him was enough
01.23.02 - Heavily reordered first half of battle with ghost army to be a bit more hectic and exciting. Removed generic reaction lines from Abby, Erin. Removed green dragon ghost, or changed him to blue in one shot. Removed Abby failing to throw the grenade by combining two parts
01.24.19 - Removed Abby shouting at the re-dead Ghosts in a very silly way. Reworked the dialogue to cover the removal
01.24.37 - Removed Patty shouting at the frozen people
01.24.54 - Removed Abby delivering a fairly generic reaction line to the Slimer Car. Now they just stare at in silence, as if they have given up being surprised by this sh,t. Added soundFX
01.25.19 - Removed Erin slipping on the slime. It cut into the tension and this isn't really a running gag in this edit. Added soundFX. Also a line from Abby
01.25.40 - Removed the guy from the hotel showing up. I didn't like the way this gag suggested that the hotel is still full of people, as moments later it is destroyed. Making that feel less fun and more like 911. Added soundFX
01.26.56 - Removed generic reaction line from Patty and another shot
01.27.35 - Removed Patty screaming at Rowan. It undercut the building tension IMO. Rescored and added soundFX
01.27.41 - Removed generic reaction line from Abby. Added soundFX
01.28.42 - Removed first improv reaction from Patty, the second one is funnier and enough. Rescored and added soundFX
01.31.04 - Reduced length of silly looking Slimer flying upwards shot and painted him out, so it's just a fire ball. We still hear him scream though
01.31.29 - Removed shots of the GBs shooting Rowan in the d,ck. It felt a bit over the top to me. We just see them shoot him somewhere in the front, which may or may not be his d,ck LOL
01.31.33 - Slightly recoloured crotch on ghost so it isn't in flame, it's now a blue-ish/pink like the rest of him
01.32.29 - Removed 7 seconds (3 shots) of Erin falling through the portal. They still fall for what seems like a stupidly long time/distance but it's now a lot less stupid
01.32.52 - Removed a couple of seconds of Erin and Abby staring at each other. It went on for too long considering they are still falling
01.33.31 - Silenced generic reaction line from Patty. Rescored and added soundFX
01.58.54 - Removed 10 seconds of sandwich improv. The joke is that Kevin is nonchalantly eating a sandwich, not where he got it from
01.34.44 - Removed 30 seconds of more food based improv and combined shots from both scenes of Abby throwing the sandwich away
01.59.36 - Brought forward news reel audio and music so it plays over shot of Abby
01.35.04 - Removed silly line from the Mayor
01.35.37 - Removed 15 seconds of hair colour based improv
01.48.36 - Added fanedit credits and thank yous
This is by far my favorite fanedit that i have watched. Though i heard allot of negative backlash about the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot, i still decided to give it a shot. In my opinion it's just an awful mess. It's not just the narrative, but the awful jokes and the awful new hip-hop version of the Ghostbusters theme music. Makes me wanna gag.
This version cut out allot of unnecessary filler jokes that made it into the final cut and brought back the original Ray Parker Jr Ghostbusters Theme. Scenes with the main villain of the movie have been cut and restructured so he feels allot more evil and less like a Scooby Doo villain as in the original.
While the cheesy blue CGI ghosts are still there, i gotta admit, i really didn't mind those as much as i did allot of the poor "dialogue" that they gave Leslie Jones' character in the original. The stupid comeback lines and general stereotypical over the top female character that she plays, is one type of character that i simply cannot stand, be it in movies, tv-series or video-games.
However the character isn't Leslie Jones fault, but rather a combination of poor writing and poor editing. With this edit i actually manage to find her character very enjoyable and the dialogue that she has left in this version, which is closer to the original script, is genuinely funny.
I didn't think anything could make me return to this movie again, but this version made me really open my eyes to how much a fanedit can do for a movie. Will diffidently be recommending this edit and can honestly say i enjoyed it enough to want to watch it again.
I didn't hate this movie when it was in theaters but I did have a lot of problems with it. One of the main unchangeable things about it is the weak villain. Just not enough to him, kind of boring. I also hate how under-utilized Kate Mckinnon was. She needs to be given characters with more range, she could do so much.
Some jokes I liked by the tour guide were cut, but making him more purposeful and tonally consistent was a necessary trade-off and makes the set-up more grounded.
The editing is wonderful, love the stream-lining of jokes and scenes in general. It just makes it feel like you're watching a movie again instead of waiting through !COMEDY! to get to story again. It took something I enjoyed already and made it into an actual movie.
I don't like that the big fight between the leads was kept. I didn't like it in the movie and I don't feel like it needed to be addressed in this cut either (even though I am thankful that it's been cut down). The added in deleted scene of them hashing things out in the courtyard feels very stagey for the purpose of emotional exposition. Them putting such on-the-nose clear words to all the themes and problems of the movie just takes me right out of the story. It doesn't help that the noise floor is audibly much louder than surrounding scenes.
I think it works to have them be at odds interpersonally and then things just get better. Without the confrontation, it never really feels that intense of a feud anyway (especially in this edit). They get a little pissed and then they help each other out and are good again. It's like most friendships in real life and makes sense with the lightness of the first Ghostbusters which also didn't really have high emotional stakes. It's not that I don't care that there's this gaping hole, I really don't feel the relationship's arc needs anything explicit to be effective and understood. It's a very simple arc.
Overall, really liked it. Most definitely replaced the original for me and makes for a good narrative comedy instead of an improv fest. Great job.
Let me start by saying I am one of those who went into Ghostbusters (2016) with a negative perspective, I didn't like the humor I had seen in the trailer, I didn't like the way that people were attacking those who disliked the movie and saying that they were MRAs or women haters or whatever. The cultural milieu had turned me off from the film. Let me also say that this is the first fanedit I have knowingly watched.
Eventually I was gifted a copy of the Extended Release on Ultra-Violet (vudu.com) and finally about 6 months ago I reluctantly sat down to watch it. My complaints about quality of jokes, the statements like "enslaving elephants", the one note portrayal of men as either dumb, malicious, and/or conniving, and the movie just felt like a drag. I distinctly remember disliking how Leslie Jones' character was portrayed, and disliked Murray's cameo, as it felt like he was directed to just be an arse. Anyway, enough about why I didn't like the original.
Almost all of my complaints are resolved by this edit. TM2YC has created a movie that I actually enjoyed, I walked away having actually laughed, enjoying the story, and also not actively disliking the main characters, I actually kindof liked the characters now. The removal of terrible one-liner jokes like "Once you pop", the second slap to McCarthy's character, cutting down Hemsworth's I'm a complete fool act, made it so that the true jokes really shine. Shortening the capture at the metal show made it so much better, I hated the "lady thing, race thing" joke. Now the humor comes from the characters, like in the original GhostBusters movies, not from bad jokes said at the bar with friends. A few issues remain, but like other reviewers I understand, and see, that this is inherent to the source...e.g. the throwback to Moranis' character in the original trying to access the restaurant while being chased by "dogs", in the original it made sense for his character and for the look of the restaurant, in GB2016 it makes Wiig's character look like a dunce when she is supposed to be a, formerly, respected scientist.
I have a few edit issues, but I understand that they are inherent to the source material. The, "Horizontally flipped two shots of guide after hand burning, to better match new cuts," it is noticeable that he is nursing the wrong hand, but that issue is acceptable when it protects from crossing the line as we move to the run down the hallway. I also might have suggested hiding one of his two sighs around the candlestick (3:24-3:31) if possible, with less time spent it seems like a forced sigh. I do love making him into a "straight" man and removing the candlestick lever. The other issue I have is with the metal show, while I love the removal of bad jokes and cameos, it is hard to see how they got into position after the initial line on the stage. Again, this is due to the lack of source to work with and does not stick out while viewing the movie.
Thank you again TM2YC, you have made GB2016 actually enjoyable. And thank you for more GB theme music, less rap.
This is the best version the 2016 Ghostbusters! The extended version was overly long with too many jokes going too long. The theatrical version was shorter, but TM2YC shows that they cut out the wrong bits.
Is this perfect? No, but that's because of the available material.
Did I want to see Bill Murray? Yes, but he was rightly cut. His main scene was frustrating: Murray's character was tedious and flat, and to move the plot forward he made Erin release the ghost which a smart serious scientist wouldn't do! Murray on-TV scene makes no sense without the in-person follow-up, so I agree that had to go too.
The editing is flawless. There were only two transitions which jumped out at me. Their capture of the concert ghost was over unexpectedly fast. No issue with any individual cut, rather the pacing of that story line felt too fast.
The other was their arrival at City Hall after the concert-ghost capture. I blinked and they were in the mayor's office. That felt jumpy, but I concede it's the best cut possible. I viewed the transition several times, in this edit and the extended version, and I could not figure out a better way to cut it (unless someone can change the background when the federal agents tell the Ghostbusters to come see the mayor, from Chinatown to the concert venue).
TM2YC improves the story, jokes, and timing. This is a winner.
First of all, I should fully disclose that I never actually hated this movie to begin with like many others did. I love Kristen Wiig, and I feel okay about the other leads, except maybe Leslie Jones. I went into the theater with an open mind and came out only slightly disappointed. I thought it was okay. However, it was never laugh out loud funny, and more importantly, I felt it was a huge departure from the first two films.
But wow! This is a fantastic fan edit. There are some people who will always hate this highly divisive movie no matter what, but I think it's primarily because this film never found it's audience. Nerds had been waiting 25 years for a sequel to the Ghostbusters franchise, and instead they got something their mom might like instead--something that depicts nerds as sociopathic freaks I might add.
But that isn't the film's fault, and that isn't fixable by the fan editor. The truth of the matter is that there is a definite diamond in the rough here, and TM2YC has proven the haters wrong through his efforts. So thanks, TM2YC. You made an okay movie into a good one.
Again, this a is a phenomenal fan edit. Given the amount of cuts that were made, it's amazing just how much the viewer DOESN'T notice. TM2YC is a real pro, and I'm interested in checking out his other fan edits due to the quality of this work alone. I particularly liked how he executed the removal of the very juvenile fart/queef joke. I actually thought he had replaced it with an alternate take in the Blu-Ray extras, but nope, he actually reconstructed a new joke all on his own. It's so much more clever and funny and befitting these characters. The fart joke made me cringe; the new joke made me laugh out loud. Inspired.
I think in terms of what TM2YC set out to do, he succeeded fully. I think the pacing starts to drag slightly in the latter half before the climax, but I think I would prefer the added scenes be there than not because they carry some emotional heft. One choice I don't understand, however, is the removal of the candlestick trick. It was a clever misdirect in the original film, and removing it didn't really serve the faneditor's overall purpose, so what was the point?
Other than those minor nitpicks, the only complaint I have is that this fan edit left me wanting more. When you actually take all the silly improv out, a movie with the feel of an actual Ghostbusters film starts to materialize. That was a huge surprise to me, and a pleasant one at that. But it wasn't fully formed. Holtzmann still needed to be reined in a bit more. As wacky as she is, she still needed to conceivably be a real person--just like the others. In a scene at the end of the movie, she stands and says something very open and heartfelt to the others--and has a very difficult time saying it. Here you learn that Holtzmann isn't just some slapsticky cartoon-like character. You learn that she's keeping a lot of her true self buried. There's nuance and complexity there, and more than one way to look at her, despite the stupid grunt she lets out to ruin the moment.
Along the same lines of wanting more, the climax is just too silly. With most of the improv removed, most of the film works well tonally, but the end just hurdles towards the furthest reaches of ridiculousness, and I just wonder if a clever faneditor couldn't pull it back just a little to keep it in line with the first two films.
Beyond that, the films colors are oversaturated. The movie has some legit scary parts, and they would be scarier if the film was drained of some of it's color and made to look like the other two films and a horror film in general.
I think putting Ghostbusters III in line with I and II is perfectly doable, and TM2YC's edit really sheds a spotlight on those possibilities. Unfortunately, I don't think there's anyone out there who will take up the cause. It's a miracle that anyone bothered to do anything with this much maligned movie.
But again, a great fan edit. Musings aside, probably one of the best I've ever seen, so I don't want to detract from what we've already been given. I think anyone who watches this film with an open mind will find a lot to enjoy and laugh at thanks to TM2YC.