Batman v Superman: No Justice

Really impressed with this fan edit. The final product is still not a good film, but certainly a better one. There are still plotholes and extraneous details here and there. I agree that completely removing Wonder Woman is a bit jarring. I would have prefered if the editor at least left the scene in the server room. That way Bruce has a reason to be staring at her when he meets Clark at the party. A cute little easter egg for the fans.

Lex has been toned down and that's a good thing. You can kinda see what Jesse Eisenberg was going for. I actually don't mind the rather abrupt cut from Batman saving Martha to Lex in jaill. I personally don't care about keeping continuity with other movies.

Honestly, this might be the best someone can do with BvS with the available footage.

Great work, reeseevans!

I think this is a good proof-of-concept fan edit, meaning that if you cut out all of the Justice League stuff, you really do get a much better movie. The problem is, however, you're still not getting the best possible edit of BvS.

What I like is that, once it hits its stride, the film has a much better pace and tone. With all the attempts at building shared universe jettisoned, it doesn't have that all-over-the-place feel that the original cut had. It is very focused on Batman and Superman, Lex's machinations, and Lois' journalistic work, and that is this edit's greatest strength.

Also good is the fact that Lex is far less irritating and as a result much more menacing and even frightening. His motives are also much clearer, and this fan edit basically redeems Lex and Jesse Eisenberg's protrayal of him.

However, the fan edit suffers primarily because the end feels very truncated. There is no showdown with Doomsday, and there is no death of Superman. Yes, we all hated the inclusion of Doomsday in BvS, but without it, the film just seems to end in the middle despite the faneditor's best efforts at a resolution.

Also, while I understand the purpose of the fan edit was to remove the Justice League stuff, most people who watched the film actually liked the inclusion of Wonder Woman. The larger problem, however, is that the faneditor didn't actually fully remove her from the movie. It is very jarring to see her walking around in the background yet not have her be acknowledged.

These editing decisions ultimately take this fan edit of BvS out of continuity with the critically acclaimed Wonder Woman film, the upcoming Justice League film, and future DC films. I think if one were to maintain continuity with existing and upcoming films, they would have to grudgingly include Wonder Woman and Doomsday and Superman's death, even if they pushed them to the background. What really needs to be in the foreground is the conflict--might I add the ideological conflict--between Batman and Superman. As much as I appreciated what the faneditor did to drastically improve Lex, the problem is that the more involved Lex is with his behind-the-scenes manipulations, the weaker and more pathetic it makes Batman and Superman look. I think this fact was a huge let down for audiences, i.e., that Batman and Superman were played by this total loser, and I think it is at the core of what's wrong with this movie.

So Lex is also something I would push to the background. And along with that, I would diminish if not completely eliminate the Lois subplot. It was convoluted and boring. Batman has enough motivation to take out Superman without Lex's meddling, and while Superman may need that extra push that Lex provides, Lex's involvement doesn't need to be overly complicated.

A better vision for a fan edit would be one that cuts out non-essential plot elements, focuses on and empowers Batman and Superman, and eliminates the Justice League stuff ONLY insofar that it doesn't break continuity with other DC films. That said, I still highly recommend this fan edit. It succeeds in what it set out to do, and it is by far more enjoyable than the original cut.

I heard about this edit and I was glad to find it. Glad it didn't have some of the things that I found strayed from the main story such as Doomsday, The Justice League teaser trailer among other things. Plus the spoiler was asinine in the original/director's cut and I'm glad that is also gone.

reeseevans took what is in my opinion one of the worst superhero movies ever made and made it watchable.

He boiled down the concept to what was sold in the title, a Batman vs Superman sorta kinda sequel to Man of Steel (which I very much enjoyed btw) and introduces Batman to this new era of Warner attempting to imitate Marvel with their shared movie universe.

Instead of a "look we are bringing the Justice League up next" this movie works as a standalone film with a reasonable runtime in which Bats and Supes disagree for the most part and Lex Luthor plays the man behind the strings that ultimately makes them see eye to eye.

No "Doomsday". no shoehorned in Wonder Woman, no bat nightmares that make no sense including no prematurely introduced Flash, no gratuitous Aquaman. All great things.

Unfortunately, yet another 2.0 audio track is offerec; so my usual A/V quality penalty points apply.

The Audio and Video editing are 100% seamless, so full scores there.

Finally, also unfortunately; it is Martha who resolves the main conflict. A major issue I have with this film which I hoped would be worked around; therefore enjoyment point deducted.

Overall, a huge improvement; specially over the theatrical release.

So I was not a fan of Batman v Superman, both the original and the "Ultimate" edition. Both were bloated, excessively busy, and often incoherent. So I was pretty interested in watching this version. Overall, it's a definite improvement as a sequel to Man of Steel, and as a film about Batman and Superman.

First and foremost, all sequel-bait is gone. No visit from the Flash, no email about the other metahumans, and no warning from Lex Luthor about Darkseid or any of that. Even Wonder Woman completely gone (you'll only spot her in the background at Lex's party). Though that does make seeing her name in the opening credits a little strange.

Also, Lex Luthor is much less cartoony, mostly just by cutting out eighty percent of his stutters and verbal tics. He's much more tolerable when he can get through a sentence without going "Ah!" or "Oop!"

This version is less than two hours long, and most of that comes from removing the entire Doomsday fight and Superman's death, which itself lasted about half an hour. The final action scene is Batman saving Martha, and while that's a bit anticlimactic, it's a much better finale than Superman's death.

The main disadvantage is that this film isn't watchable as a DCEU film. While it's a good Man of Steel sequel, since it actually focuses on the Man of Steel, it's completely self-contained, and after Wonder Woman has come out, it definitely isn't canon to the DCEU. However, it succeeds where it counts, as I didn't even miss most of the scenes of the main characters sulking and monologuing their way through the story.

Overall, I would recommend as a completely stripped-down version of the film I was hoping to see. Only what's important to the title conflict remains, and I was satisfied enough with that.