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I also disagreed with Batman's attitude towards killing and reduced this aggressively, while retaining a sense of brutality about this jaded veteran Dark Knight. Certain interactions between Superman and other characters are removed to make him seem less mopey and hopeless, and further depict Clark as the "other" in a world that cannot trust him. Strategic omissions place the emphasis more on Lex Luthor's misdeeds than his mannerisms. Visual filters reintroduce some of the lost colour to create a bolder, more comic book inspired image.
- Suicide Squad Comic-Con First Look Trailer: Jared Leto’s Joker laugh- used to evoke memories of Robin’s death
- Man of Steel (2013): Superman creates a sonic boom as he blasts into the atmosphere- used as a transition prior to the scene in Mexico. Martha Kent embraces a young Clark- intended to humanise him from Batman’s perspective
- The Siege (1998): “Excuse me, sir. I think you should see this.” [7:29]- used prior to the Congressional incident
- Final Official Trailer: Batman flings a goon into a stack of pallets- used to replace Batman’s grenade kill in the warehouse
- Official TV Spot #7: “It’s time you learned what it means to be a man.”- used to replace “I bet your parents taught you that you mean something.”
Characters cannot teleport from one location to another. It must be shown or implied how they got there, even if that seems dull. The brain subconsciously searches for logical flaws like this. The last thing you want is to distance the viewer through sloppy transitions or erratic pacing.
Foresight is essential. Unlike writing an original story, one must accept the movie can only ever be whittled down (unless it is a radical Fan Mix incorporating other source material). This will invariably limit your creative options. Map out the edit on paper or in your head in its entirety before commencement.
There are no shortcuts I can recommend. It’s all about commitment and patience. Your edit will evolve. Be prepared to watch it multiple times if you seek excellence in the end result. Recolouring your fan edit is an even greater time commitment.
Request the constructive feedback of your friends, family and online colleagues. Be patient with them; they aren’t trying to tear you down, but in fact build you up.
Professionally and concisely present your fan edit online. Why spend all that time to see your opus sink into the quagmire of Internet content? Sell it. Hit up related websites (e.g. Reddit’s fan edit sub), but get to the point. Create equally impressive miscellanea (artwork, trailers, screen caps etc). Create a search engine friendly website. Wix is free and looks great.
Take pride in what you are doing. You will likely be utilising powerful video editing software, so experiment and have fun!
- Nairomi: The photographer's introduction as Jimmy Olsen. Why? It was a universally unpopular decision to kill off one of Superman's most iconic allies so early.
- I saw him! I never saw him before: The artificial-looking crawl across the ceiling as Batman escapes from the shotgun-wielding cop. The two cops watching Football. Why? It adds nothing of substance to the narrative.
- Meeting at LexCorp: The "Metahuman Thesis" and Luthor's negotiations with Senator Barrows in regards to the Kryptonian ship.
- False God: The reaction scene inside the Daily Planet offices is tightened.
- Luthor's private meeting with Finch: Luthor's "One if by land, two if by air" comment. Why? For brevity. And Luthor is fairly annoying in this scene.
- Metropolis Library: Bruce imagines a subtle Joker laugh when he looks at Robin's suit. Clark does not ask a fellow journalist who Bruce Wayne is. Some of Luthor's speech omitted. Diana Prince omitted from this and all future scenes. Bruce's conversation with Clark is slightly tightened. Bruce leaves unhindered with the hacking device, while Clark flies to Mexico.
- Knightmare, Flash's warning: Omitted.
- Bruce's demon dream: Omitted. Why? It seemed like one "Martha" scene too many.
- Clark researches the 'Bat-brand': Omitted. Why? Batman is less culpable for the prison deaths if they are not yet a matter of public record, while Clark still learns about the consequences of the "mark" from Mrs. Santos.
- Batmobile: Batman tagging the cargo truck, only to pursue the vehicle anyway. By showing the tracking device on the truck afterwards, it can be inferred it was fired from the Batmobile at some point during the chase. The chase is tightened. None of Anatoli Knyazev’s men are killed as a direct result of Batman's actions. Batman's altercation with Superman is tightened.
- Congressional bombing: Senator Finch does not stutter prior to the explosion. Bruce's inquest about Keefe's disability checks is omitted, with Greg handing him the most recent envelope only. Why? Luthor had been intercepting Keefe's checks for upwards of eighteen months, marking them with anti-Bruce Wayne hate rhetoric / death threats, and returning them. There was not a single discerning employee at Wayne Enterprises who considered bringing this to Bruce's attention in a year-and-a-half, especially after Keefe's very public arrest for a hate crime? Had Bruce known sooner, he would have investigated Keefe, and subsequently Lex himself. This is a clear example of Deus ex machina driving Bruce's enmity of Superman forwards at the expense of his vaunted deductive reasoning.
- Clark's self-exile: Clark questioning the validity of his actions, and climbing the mountain to speak to his father. Why? Both heroes were at peak-mopiness by this point. Pa Kent's return to reiterate established themes is redundant, and the "She was my world" idea is not relevant to No Justice.
- Luthor and the Kryptonian ship: All scenes omitted.
- Bruce's training montage: The revelation of Kryptonite gas deferred until the fight itself. Why? To surprise the audience.
- Luthor's contractors kidnap Martha: Deferred until Luthor reveals it to Superman. Why? To give Luthor an ace in the hole.
- Superman saves Lois: Luthor's insistence that Lois' proof of his illegal activities will blow over. Superman’s uncharacteristic “No one stays good in this world” line. "What have you done?" (in reference to Doomsday). Luthor's instruction for Superman to go to the Kryptonian ship after killing Batman. Luthor spoon-feeding us his manipulation of Bruce. Why? It's clear from previous scenes that Luthor was responsible for the bombing, not Keefe.
- Batman v. Superman: Bruce's reference to Clark’s parents. Why? By acknowledging he has parents- even Kryptonians, Bruce unwittingly humanises Clark, which in turns lessens the impact of the next scene. The line is replaced with, "It's time you learned what it means to be a man." from TV Spot 7, which never made it into the final cut.
- "Martha": When it hits home to Bruce, we see a few frames of Martha hugging a young Clark. Why? I wanted to emphasise that Bruce is about to murder someone who is for all intents and purposes human, and become no better than the scum that killed his own mother.
- Batman rescues Martha Kent: There is a tighter transition between the two combat scenes to maintain a sense of climax. By Batman simply leaving to save Martha, it can be inferred Superman is too weak from Kryptonite poisoning to act, and that Batman has vowed to atone for his wrong. Batman killing Knyazev’s men inside the Batwing omitted. The grenade kill is replaced with an unused moment from the final trailer (Batman man-handling a thug into a stack of pallets). When Batman is primed to kill Knyazev, we see a brief reminder of his own mother dying, giving Batman stronger motive to pull the trigger and rescue Martha from the same fate.
- Luthor's Abomination / the Trinity / Death of Superman: Omitted.
- Lois and Clark in the tub: Relocated to after Luthor’s arrest, with all references to the incident in Nairomi excluded. Why? It was the most appropriate scene to complete Lois and Clark's stories in the absence of the original ending.
- Batman threatens Luthor: Luthor's reference to Superman's death and the imminent arrival of Darkseid.
- Superman’s funeral: Omitted, leaving the rotated painting in Luthor's study as the movie's final shot. Why? It's the obvious ending point in the absence of Doomsday. This, with the amended musical cue, shifts the emphasis away from Darkseid's arrival to Batman's (a mere mortal) own capacity for devilry.
Let me preface this by saying I'm a HUGE fan of BvS:DoJ the Ultimate Edition. The movie still has its problems, but this version fixes the vast majority of the criticism the professional critics threw at the theatrical cut.
While I was able to enjoy the hack job they put in theaters, once they released the Ultimate Edition, I never looked back.
That said, I HATED all the Bat-murder. So when I heard someone had edited (almost) all of Batffleck's killing out of the film, I was interested. When I heard they had ALSO cut the Death of Superman, Doomsday, ALL Justice League set up, AND Wonder Woman, well I was skeptical at best.
As such, I was very hesitant going into this movie. I honestly did not see how it would work, perticularly the third act. I honestly doubted that the titular fight, and subsequent warehouse rescue would be a substantial enough climax.
Boy was I WRONG. And happily so.
If WB wanted to cut back on Snyder's operatic film, THIS is the film they should have went with.
Is it perfect? No. Does it work? REALLY well. In fact, with a handful of pic-ups to smooth things out, and THIS cut could have been a box office AND critical smash!
THIS is the film people expected when they first announced BvS. Hell, this is the movie people were promised with the first trailer, minus WW.
Now, as I said, it's not perfect. There are a handful of edits I disagreed with, but that's largely subjective.
I really only "noticed" the cuts in a handful of places, namely:
1. The end of the party at Luthor's, when Clark goes to the Day of the Dead fire, and Bruce retrieves his hard drive. Felt a bit choppy without Bruce finding it missing and chasing Diana. I imagine the insert of him attaching the drive, reversed, could have smoothed this out a touch.
2. Bruce opening the "You let your family die" paper out of nowhere. While I agree it didn't make sense that ALL of the notes and returned cheques would have never been brought to his attention, or the police's for that matter, before that instant, but you need more than just a shot of Bruce opening the paper without context. Not sure of it would actually be possible to do something with the footage available, while still cutting the fact that no one brought the rest of the notes to anyone's attention.
3. Batman leaping off the Batwing. What the hell? Why one Earth would you cut that shot? Not only was it bad ass, but him suddenly crashing through the window when we last saw him inside the cockpit was jarring without it.
4. The third act. This is where it suffers most noticeably. Now I DID mentioned that the action scenes were more than enough for a satisfactory climax, that doesn't mean the whole third act fully works. Namely the transition from the titular fight, to the warehouse rescue.
It would have been nice to see Batman's promise 'Martha won't die tonight' fit in there, but without mentioning the scout ship and et al, this is all but impossible. I don't know if you could do some clever editing and mixing dialogue from throughout the film, to add in that Superman's too weak? This may just be one of the unfixable consequences of working from a premade film.
Similarly, while repurposing the tub scene works to help flush out the denouement, it is not quite enough to fully tie together the dramatically truncated finale. Again, considering how much was excised from the film, this is understandable. That the third act holds as well as it does is quite an accomplishment in and of itself.
That brings me to one last overall criticism: the general lack of Superman. While he definitely is in the film, and I understand why a lot of the so called "navel gazing" was cut, he just kind of disappears from the film after the bombing, only to return just in time to save Lois. I don't think the "my world" stuff needed to be cut, nor did his self reflection with Jonathan.
Similarly, after the big gladiator match, he's again left with nothing to do, while Batman saves the day. Again, I know this one's due to the removal of Doomsday, etc, but it's still noticeable when watching the film.
Final thoughts and reflections:
Looking back on this film, through the lenses of this re-edit, gets me thinking of the possibilities.
Two in perticular, having to do with two of the DCEU's biggest blunders: the Martha moment, and the entire Justice League movie.
I realized that the Martha moment could DRAMATICALLY improved with a single insert earlier in the film.
At Luthor's party, Clark overhears Bruce talking to Alfred on his earpiece. In the original film, we're meant to assume this is what tips Clark to Bruce's secret, or at the very least make shim suspicious. Between that and his own exchange with Bruce, it makes perfect sense to show Clark looking into Bruce a bit more after that.
Now, I know some criticized Clark asking "who's that?" when Bruce pulls up at Lex's party, but it's not that strange. Remember, Clark had been living a fairly nomadic lifestyle before the Black Zero event. Before that he lived in Smallville. My point is there's no reason Bruce Wayne would have been on Clark's radar BEFORE the Black Zero event, and Bruce has not exactly been in the limelight since then.
Clark doesn't necessarily know Bruce's backstory, and if he had heard, after the above encounter, it still would make sense for him to look deeper.
Long story short, a single insert after they meet at the party, showing Clark looking into Bruce, and seeing news stories from the Wayne murders. It would be easy enough to repurpose one of the shots of Clark at a computer looking into the Bat, to be this instead.
Suddenly the Martha moment has the tiniest bit more logic, and doesn't fall flat on its face. Now it makes SENSE why he's not just saying 'save my mother' or similar. In his final moments, he's not just calling outro his mother by name for no reason, he's consciously make a last desperate effort to get through, to connect, to Bruce before its too late.
As for Justice League, while that came from thinking about BvS: No Justice in continuity.
That is, I like how it works narratively, focusing the film, and not rushing the universe.
But what to do with all that left over footage???
What I'm wondering is if you could use the Death of Superman, Knightmare, Wonder Woman, JL setup, etc, to create a new version of Justice League.
There are some obvious challenges such as Luthor being out of jail and with hair again, etc, but it does present a fascinating creative challenge.
Perhaps some of it happens as filling in the blanks. That is we're learning that Lex was setting these things in motion during BvS, we just didn't see it at the time? So flash backs showing him getting access to the ship, and Zod, etc. Not sure how you'd then get to Doomsday, etc, in away that works with the continuity of BvS No Justice, but I'm sure it could be done.
After seeing how successfully this fan edit worked, I truly believe it would be possible.
Now, that's not to say that cramming the Death of Superman onto the front end of Justice League is best way to handle DoS, or JL, but working with what we've got, who knows.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, WB should have made THIS version of BvS, THEN done the Death of Superman story in a Trinity film (seriously, they could have split BvS in 2 and done exactly that with a No Justice style cut, and then making a full 1st and 2nd act to go with the rest) THEN Justice League.
Oh well, I enjoyed BVS UE, I enjoyed BvS NJ, I'm going to dream of a DoS Trinity and or JL film now.
Awesome Watch! Reese has done a masterful job in making this a Leaner Meaner cut.It shifts the focus back to the title of the film.I enjoyed the film all over again with a different perspective (I still like the Original even with all it's flaws) but for someone who has seen this film several times it is nice to watch the best parts of Mr. Snyder's work. The final act does lack a bit -Due to no fault of the editor, just lack of source material,but I love the "Fix" Reese put in for the "Martha Scene" .The Soundtrack he edited together is A+ and He has done a great job of streamlining or all together removing the unnecessary and gratuitous elements which seem to cram too much into the original film.I think that many of us are going through the old "Don't know what Ya got till it's gone" blues with Zack Snyder's vision all but over in the DCEU and watching this Fan Edit brings back my appreciation for what he was trying to do.Hopefully Reese will have the patience and time to attempt tackling Justice League and bring his talents to try and streamline that mess!Overall,I give this FanEdit an B+ for the finished work (Again points missing only due to the final act lacking source material) An A+ for editing,Sound and Color-grading. A real fun must watch for anyone who Loves and appreciates these two Icons of Comicdom! Great Job!
Like many when Batman V Superman came out a few years ago I eagerly awaited the release of the first big screen outing of two of DC's biggest heroes that would be seen together for the first time on the big screen and sadly like many I was disappointed. I wasn't disappointed by a lot of the things that others were however, no Batman killing didn't bother me much because it is clear enough (at least for me anyway) that Bruce is a man at the end of his rope when we meet him here, someone who's old, tired and grizzled from dealing with the horrors of Gotham City for 20 years and feeling like his heroics made no difference in the end. As for Superman being mopey and non-Supermanish, I also understood what Clark was going through and why he was acting the way he did, He's tried to be helpful and do good all his life but is constantly criticized by the very people he tries to protect so when allthese incidents and news reports happen and show him in a negative way can you really blame him for questioning himself or feeling sorry for himself, he like Bruce feels like no matter how much good he does he will still be seen to many as nothing more than an alien or someone who's actions and opinions shouldn't matter on Earth (Which for all intents and purposes is his home planed) just imagine the stress of the only world you've known attacking you and hating you for trying to protect it. Those were my thoughts on some of the things in the movie originally but now onto No Justice
First let me just say that this may be one of the best if not the best restructuring of a movie I have ever seen (And I've watched A LOT of Star Wars Prequel edits that try to trim and alter the plot) Its incredible to me that without all the extra sub plots and characters how much clearer the move becomes. I was shocked at how much I actually was able to follow every character's plot point and understand their motivations more clearly than in either the Theatrical or Ultimate cuts of the movie. I personally was someone who kind of got lost in the movie while watching it originally and kind of wasn't able to follow everything with totally understanding it because of the sheer length and content contained. No Justice streamlines the movie incredibly and efficiently, yes one of my biggest problems for every cut of the movie is still present, which is that its boring (just my opinion) BUT with how much is cut and changed around here the experience is considerably better and I honestly quite enjoyed it despite not being a fan of the movie. If you want to just get the main elements of the movie without all the extra fat and set up for the DCEU then this edit is worth your time I could honestly see this in a store next to the official releases as another alternate cut, technically its superb with audio and sound effects used perfectly to transition and the editing was basically flawless as well except in a few scenes where I knew what was cut or changed, that being said you could probably show this to someone who's never seen the movie and they wouldn't notice at all. All in all No Justice is BvS experience that takes you on a familiar and significantly shorter ride that focuses on every character perfectly and their motivations very clearly. Honestly if the WW, Doomsday and Justice League cameos weren't cut this could easily be watched in a DC marathon leading to Justice League (reeseevens should do an edit of that too btw) for those who want all the necessary information without all the rest
As for Doomsday and WW along with Luthor's elaborate plan to get Batman and Superman to fight is hardly missed though I personally liked the whole doomsday fight and WW at the end and would have included it (actually its the one thing I really liked originally lol) but here its not missed at all
If you just want to know if this is worth a watch, then I'd say yes. Regardless of whether you liked the original, this fix is unique enough that it warrants its own viewing.
That being said, there are some things I'd like to point out. I am a fan of the original color grade, and here it just felt artificial. Softer Earth colors do not look good, for example.
Audio is very good, it does its job.
As far as video editing goes, certain scenes are very jarring with abrupt cuts and shots that do not last long enough (The bathroom scene at the end was one of the worst culprits of this). I know these things happen in fanedits, but I saw no attempt to smooth these scenes out.
Audio editing is much better. Nothing more to say here, it's good.
Narrative is good too. The movie obviously will never work without the Doomsday fight, but it was an amazing effort nonetheless, and definitely gives you a lot to chew on.
Enjoyment? Easily a 9. I will definitely be watching it again over the weekend with some friends.
Overall: a cut above the rest despite some glaring technical inconsistencies.
Wow.... Just wow. You made BvS into a genuinely coherent, darkly fascinating, and honestly engaging movie. I despised this movie when I first watched it and I watched the ultimate edition. Your vision of a focused plot is proof enough for what this film should have been. Absolutely loved it. Thank you so much for putting in the time and effort to create this. This is the definitive way to experience BvS.