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I also disagreed with Batman's attitude towards killing and reduced this aggressively, while retaining a sense of brutality about this jaded veteran Dark Knight. Certain interactions between Superman and other characters are removed to make him seem less mopey and hopeless, and further depict Clark as the "other" in a world that cannot trust him. Strategic omissions place the emphasis more on Lex Luthor's misdeeds than his mannerisms. Visual filters reintroduce some of the lost colour to create a bolder, more comic book inspired image.
- Suicide Squad Comic-Con First Look Trailer: Jared Leto’s Joker laugh- used to evoke memories of Robin’s death
- Man of Steel (2013): Superman creates a sonic boom as he blasts into the atmosphere- used as a transition prior to the scene in Mexico. Martha Kent embraces a young Clark- intended to humanise him from Batman’s perspective
- The Siege (1998): “Excuse me, sir. I think you should see this.” [7:29]- used prior to the Congressional incident
- Final Official Trailer: Batman flings a goon into a stack of pallets- used to replace Batman’s grenade kill in the warehouse
- Official TV Spot #7: “It’s time you learned what it means to be a man.”- used to replace “I bet your parents taught you that you mean something.”
Characters cannot teleport from one location to another. It must be shown or implied how they got there, even if that seems dull. The brain subconsciously searches for logical flaws like this. The last thing you want is to distance the viewer through sloppy transitions or erratic pacing.
Foresight is essential. Unlike writing an original story, one must accept the movie can only ever be whittled down (unless it is a radical Fan Mix incorporating other source material). This will invariably limit your creative options. Map out the edit on paper or in your head in its entirety before commencement.
There are no shortcuts I can recommend. It’s all about commitment and patience. Your edit will evolve. Be prepared to watch it multiple times if you seek excellence in the end result. Recolouring your fan edit is an even greater time commitment.
Request the constructive feedback of your friends, family and online colleagues. Be patient with them; they aren’t trying to tear you down, but in fact build you up.
Professionally and concisely present your fan edit online. Why spend all that time to see your opus sink into the quagmire of Internet content? Sell it. Hit up related websites (e.g. Reddit’s fan edit sub), but get to the point. Create equally impressive miscellanea (artwork, trailers, screen caps etc). Create a search engine friendly website. Wix is free and looks great.
Take pride in what you are doing. You will likely be utilising powerful video editing software, so experiment and have fun!
- Nairomi: The photographer's introduction as Jimmy Olsen. Why? It was a universally unpopular decision to kill off one of Superman's most iconic allies so early.
- I saw him! I never saw him before: The artificial-looking crawl across the ceiling as Batman escapes from the shotgun-wielding cop. The two cops watching Football. Why? It adds nothing of substance to the narrative.
- Meeting at LexCorp: The "Metahuman Thesis" and Luthor's negotiations with Senator Barrows in regards to the Kryptonian ship.
- False God: The reaction scene inside the Daily Planet offices is tightened.
- Luthor's private meeting with Finch: Luthor's "One if by land, two if by air" comment. Why? For brevity. And Luthor is fairly annoying in this scene.
- Metropolis Library: Bruce imagines a subtle Joker laugh when he looks at Robin's suit. Clark does not ask a fellow journalist who Bruce Wayne is. Some of Luthor's speech omitted. Diana Prince omitted from this and all future scenes. Bruce's conversation with Clark is slightly tightened. Bruce leaves unhindered with the hacking device, while Clark flies to Mexico.
- Knightmare, Flash's warning: Omitted.
- Bruce's demon dream: Omitted. Why? It seemed like one "Martha" scene too many.
- Clark researches the 'Bat-brand': Omitted. Why? Batman is less culpable for the prison deaths if they are not yet a matter of public record, while Clark still learns about the consequences of the "mark" from Mrs. Santos.
- Batmobile: Batman tagging the cargo truck, only to pursue the vehicle anyway. By showing the tracking device on the truck afterwards, it can be inferred it was fired from the Batmobile at some point during the chase. The chase is tightened. None of Anatoli Knyazev’s men are killed as a direct result of Batman's actions. Batman's altercation with Superman is tightened.
- Congressional bombing: Senator Finch does not stutter prior to the explosion. Bruce's inquest about Keefe's disability checks is omitted, with Greg handing him the most recent envelope only. Why? Luthor had been intercepting Keefe's checks for upwards of eighteen months, marking them with anti-Bruce Wayne hate rhetoric / death threats, and returning them. There was not a single discerning employee at Wayne Enterprises who considered bringing this to Bruce's attention in a year-and-a-half, especially after Keefe's very public arrest for a hate crime? Had Bruce known sooner, he would have investigated Keefe, and subsequently Lex himself. This is a clear example of Deus ex machina driving Bruce's enmity of Superman forwards at the expense of his vaunted deductive reasoning.
- Clark's self-exile: Clark questioning the validity of his actions, and climbing the mountain to speak to his father. Why? Both heroes were at peak-mopiness by this point. Pa Kent's return to reiterate established themes is redundant, and the "She was my world" idea is not relevant to No Justice.
- Luthor and the Kryptonian ship: All scenes omitted.
- Bruce's training montage: The revelation of Kryptonite gas deferred until the fight itself. Why? To surprise the audience.
- Luthor's contractors kidnap Martha: Deferred until Luthor reveals it to Superman. Why? To give Luthor an ace in the hole.
- Superman saves Lois: Luthor's insistence that Lois' proof of his illegal activities will blow over. Superman’s uncharacteristic “No one stays good in this world” line. "What have you done?" (in reference to Doomsday). Luthor's instruction for Superman to go to the Kryptonian ship after killing Batman. Luthor spoon-feeding us his manipulation of Bruce. Why? It's clear from previous scenes that Luthor was responsible for the bombing, not Keefe.
- Batman v. Superman: Bruce's reference to Clark’s parents. Why? By acknowledging he has parents- even Kryptonians, Bruce unwittingly humanises Clark, which in turns lessens the impact of the next scene. The line is replaced with, "It's time you learned what it means to be a man." from TV Spot 7, which never made it into the final cut.
- "Martha": When it hits home to Bruce, we see a few frames of Martha hugging a young Clark. Why? I wanted to emphasise that Bruce is about to murder someone who is for all intents and purposes human, and become no better than the scum that killed his own mother.
- Batman rescues Martha Kent: There is a tighter transition between the two combat scenes to maintain a sense of climax. By Batman simply leaving to save Martha, it can be inferred Superman is too weak from Kryptonite poisoning to act, and that Batman has vowed to atone for his wrong. Batman killing Knyazev’s men inside the Batwing omitted. The grenade kill is replaced with an unused moment from the final trailer (Batman man-handling a thug into a stack of pallets). When Batman is primed to kill Knyazev, we see a brief reminder of his own mother dying, giving Batman stronger motive to pull the trigger and rescue Martha from the same fate.
- Luthor's Abomination / the Trinity / Death of Superman: Omitted.
- Lois and Clark in the tub: Relocated to after Luthor’s arrest, with all references to the incident in Nairomi excluded. Why? It was the most appropriate scene to complete Lois and Clark's stories in the absence of the original ending.
- Batman threatens Luthor: Luthor's reference to Superman's death and the imminent arrival of Darkseid.
- Superman’s funeral: Omitted, leaving the rotated painting in Luthor's study as the movie's final shot. Why? It's the obvious ending point in the absence of Doomsday. This, with the amended musical cue, shifts the emphasis away from Darkseid's arrival to Batman's (a mere mortal) own capacity for devilry.
There is not alot which I can add that hasnt been said already from the other positive reviews so Ill just say this, flawless editing from Reese. Lex motivations for me seem alot more clearer now driving home his need to manipuate even a god to bend to his will.
As spex121 points out in his reveiw if Reese makes a separate stand alone epilogue showing the cameos and Supermans death which will link No Justive to future films then this will truly make this edit canon. Well done Reese.
Let me start by saying that I am a huge comic book movie fan, and an even bigger Batman and Superman fan. However, after seeing BvS in theaters I was left with a slightly hollow feeling. I felt like I'd just watched a potentially amazing movie, but it never shone through due to muddled pacing and sub-plots, important plot points never being made clear, and just general wtf moments.
When the Ultimate Edition came out I felt it tidied up some of these problems by making the overarching plot clearer, but my it was a long 3 hour slog.
THIS is the alternate cut everyone's been waiting for.
This cuts out any JL fluff, murky sub-plots and silly moments. Leaving a crisp, cohesive, narrative driven DC movie. The video and audio editing was impeccable. I literally could not find one fault throughout the whole movie, everything moved along seamlessly.
I also think everything Reese took out, and also put in, led to what this film was meant to be.
Cutting out the cgi Doomsday bash fest, cameos, needless dialogue and adding things like the jokers laugh, the cut of martha and young clark during the martha scene and linking it all together seamlessly with the soundtrack is a feat beyond words.
I saw another reviewer say Lois saying Clark 'came back' didn't make sense due to the editing, but he had just flown away from the Capitol so she could have easily meant that. The Martha scene was also fantastically done so there was no eye rolling. Thomas Wayne's final word was Martha's name and this obviously still resonates with Bruce to this day, the reaction was exactly what I would expect from this. The cut then makes it obvious they talk and Bruce decides to save Martha, to stop the same thing happening to Clark's mother that did his. The shot of young Martha here really brings this home.
The cut out footage was always at the back of my mind, but I never noticed anything missing from this cut. DCEU plot aside, this is the cut I will always turn to if I ever want to watch this film again. My hope is that like with his prologue, Reese will make an epilogue showing the cameos and supermans death that will link this film to Justice League. Then we can truly enjoy it as part of the canon narritive.
This only loses stars due to the quality of the film itself, everything Reese did gets 10/10.
Reese did what he set out to do, cut the fat from a movie bloated with subplots by whittling it down to to the title match it should have been.
A/V Quality - Great! Got the full-fat version, 9.78 GBs of sweet 1080p.
Visual Editing - The cuts and transitions were smooth.
Audio Editing - Smooth as well! Use of the OST in transitions was exceptional. The joker laugh over Robin's suit was a great touch.
Narrative - I was not the biggest fan of the original film. I thought it was a middle of the road superhero film. Reese's cuts fixed a lot of issues I had with the original such as Batman's murder spree, Bruce's Mad Batx Nightmare, future Flash, MARTHA!, and Lex being annoying as fuck! His cuts of certain elements also allows the viewer to be surprised as opposed to having our hand held the whole film. That being said, because of the cuts to Wonder Woman and Doomsday, this will not replace the original in the DCEU due to continuity, but as a standalone film, this cut is pretty damn good!
Enjoyment - I had a great time viewing this edit.
Thanks Reese! :]X
Bravo reeseevans, Bravo!
If you watch this cut, I think you will be pleasantly surprised to find this was probably how the original script was intended to be and is truly enjoyable. In this edit, there is no Doomsday (sadly), very brief glimpse of Diana (even more sadly), no Justice League lead-in, no Darkseid suggestions, just straight Batman Versus Superman story line. Once you focus on the real story, the story is compelling. Lex is less annoying and you can tell how well he has planned this without constant distractions of other minor plots. I should note though the more I watch any cut or edition of this movie, the more I wish we had a powerful, tall, bald serious business type Lex as one remember from the animated series or the dc animated universe. The more I think of such a Lex though, the more difficult it becomes to think of such an actor. I don't think Vin Diesel or The Rock would do the role justice, Lawrence Fishbourne on the other hand would have been a compelling choice for Lex rather than Perry White. At any rate, I highly recommend this cut, this is really making a great sale to be the definitive telling of this story. This is the movie that makes you think about it after it ends. Watch it!
The editing is well done. If I had any objections it has to do primarily with three points.
1) Doomsday and Diana are gone. As much as they really aren't relevant to the true story, the action scene is great and Diana is the true hero of the movie (especially more so now that her movie has done so well). When you watch the movie, it makes sense to cut them out, but I still missed them. It is a really tough call and I applaud reeseevans courage to cut such a scene. With the original ending removed from this version now, this edit's end is a bit short. Due to the greater focus on the BvS direct story line, the "Martha" issue does not come across as bothersome or even corny anymore. There could have been a bit more dialogue between Bruce and Clark at this point to hit home the point that until that moment in time Bruce only saw Clark as a monster and not as a hero or even a human. I only wish for Reeseevan's edit, there was more source material he could have used to draw out his ending more.
2) The aforementioned Lex casting.
3) Lastly, there exists another fan edit I am very fond of and it began with the Superman Metropolis scene rather than the Batman Origin story again. In that edit, the Metropolis scene is followed by the TV - Neil Degrasse Tyson - Kentucky Senator - the question of the existence of a Superman and what that means for the human race. In that edit, it felt more of a direct tie-in to Man of Steel and moving the middle of the original BvS scene to the beginning really brought home this question left open at the end of Man of Steel. That is: "Whoa, beings or aliens exist that defy all logic and physics, they can destroy the world, how do we react?" I liked that beginning and sequence more than the Batman Origin Story. I felt the Batman Origin Story was out of place, but only because we have seen it so many times now. It seemed ALMOST pointless, but is successfully brought back in as Batman recognizing himself as Joe Chill in the moment he can end Superman. If anything, I just liked that beginning more than the original movie beginning.
Reeseevans did a fantastic job and had to make some very difficult choices. The cuts are compelling, tell a very fluid story, and I really enjoyed this. I HIGHLY recommend this and can say this is the version I will always watch from now on. The editing was smooth and just making Lex be less "Joker" and more focused on his planning than his mannerism helped quite a bit. Removing Batman death scenes and adding elements from other sources truly helped in this great story! Thank you reeseevans, look forward to your work in the future! If you ever want to do Man of Steel (if you haven't already, I have some suggestions!)
This film is terrible. But this edit actually makes it watchable. This fanedit is of extremely high quality and demonstrates a thorough understanding of storytelling, pacing and character, much moreso than the original director. Whilst the narrative itself is not entirely 'fixed', the narrative changes are perfect, hence leading to my perfect 10 score. Great job!