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Terminator Salvation – T-HOPE Edition
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Original Release Date:
2009
Original Running Time:
117
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Fanedit Running Time:
108
Time Cut:
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Brief Synopsis:
Simply put: a better version of Terminator Salvation... hopefully.
Aside from the newly created opening and changed ending, this fanedit removes Kyle from Skynet’s hitlist and makes John enemy number 1. Skynet doesn’t know about Kyle’s importance. It only knows about John Connor because of his radio broadcasts that inspire people and spread hope among humanity. Skynet sees this as a potential risk and wants him terminated. Sarah Connor’s original tape message has been restored.
Marcus has been given some flashbacks to slowly reveal his past. Tried to have the various Terminators appear more menacing and dangerous, and cut most of their illogical actions. Last but not least are little cuts and changes in various sequences throughout the movie.
Aside from the newly created opening and changed ending, this fanedit removes Kyle from Skynet’s hitlist and makes John enemy number 1. Skynet doesn’t know about Kyle’s importance. It only knows about John Connor because of his radio broadcasts that inspire people and spread hope among humanity. Skynet sees this as a potential risk and wants him terminated. Sarah Connor’s original tape message has been restored.
Marcus has been given some flashbacks to slowly reveal his past. Tried to have the various Terminators appear more menacing and dangerous, and cut most of their illogical actions. Last but not least are little cuts and changes in various sequences throughout the movie.
Intention:
Terminator Salvation was an incredibly disappointing movie. The story was weak, very flawed. The logic didn’t make sense. The Terminators weren’t dangerous, they were only throwing people around. Skynet knowing about Kyle Reese (and when he was captured, not even killing him) was a huge letdown story-wise. Shortly: very disappointing movie.
This fanedit tries to improve the movie. I don’t think Terminator Salvation can be saved, or turned into a good movie, worthy of being part of the Terminator saga. It will remain a very flawed and disappointing movie. However, this fanedit tries to make it watchable at least.
It took a lot of planning, specially gathering the clips for the intro. And then it was simply just do it. I always hate the 5.1 audio mixing in the process of creating a fanedit (specially when you create your own scenes from scratch), so extra motivation was needed for that phase. But in the end, I knew my fanedit would be better then the theatrical cut (I’m not ego-tripping here, but the official cut is so incredible bad that almost anything is better), so I had to release it!!
The Director’s Cut of Terminator Salvation has been used for this fanedit.
This fanedit tries to improve the movie. I don’t think Terminator Salvation can be saved, or turned into a good movie, worthy of being part of the Terminator saga. It will remain a very flawed and disappointing movie. However, this fanedit tries to make it watchable at least.
It took a lot of planning, specially gathering the clips for the intro. And then it was simply just do it. I always hate the 5.1 audio mixing in the process of creating a fanedit (specially when you create your own scenes from scratch), so extra motivation was needed for that phase. But in the end, I knew my fanedit would be better then the theatrical cut (I’m not ego-tripping here, but the official cut is so incredible bad that almost anything is better), so I had to release it!!
The Director’s Cut of Terminator Salvation has been used for this fanedit.
Release Information:
DVD
Cuts and Additions:
- Created new intro “Echoes from the past.” Dr. Silberman and Miles Dyson both have a form of cameo, creating a nice link to the previous Terminator movies.
- Created new intro titles that shows the results of the nuclear fires, humanity’s struggle after it, the first attack by machines and a nightly fight between men and machine. Added Edgen’s Terminator Theme performed by Justin R. Durban.
- Removed missile POV, start with explosion.
- Removed the T-600 attacking John Connor. If a Terminator pops up behind you, you should be dead as its mechanical hand should already been ripping out your heart.
- Cut Ashdown calling John a prophesized leader. Cut Resistance Command knowing about Kyle Reese and his importance. John Connor is number one on the hitlist. Changed dialogue so Losenko says Connor is number one.
- Cut Connor’s arrival because it shows a complete airbase with bright lights. The machines should have noticed this and already attacked that base. Unfortunately I couldn’t remove these kinds of shots later on in the movie.
- Changed Sarah Connor’s message on tape into the original one from ‘The Terminator.’ Too bad I couldn’t change the photograph into the original one.
- Conversation between John and Kate. Cut “Kill Kyle Reese. Reset the future. No John Connor.” This line just feels like an insult to the IQ of the fans. Plus I think if John and Kate were living together for over 15 years, this would be already very clear to them and no need to repeat such stuff.
- Tightened up the T-600′s attack on Marcus. Cut some staring at each other, T-600 turns around now and immediately starts firing. Cut some of the shooting so it looks like the T-600 is more accurate and Marcus was saved at the last moment by Kyle Reese. Also tightened up Kyle activating the trap for the T-600. Hopefully making the T-600 appear a bit more dangerous. Also cut a little bit of the T-600 shooting its foot to escape the trap.
- Created a “nightmare” flashback sequence in Marcus has some weird flashes of being in jail talking to a woman (Serena) with a sudden and weird ending.
- Cut Aerostat identifying Kyle Reese by name. Also cut some driving and Kyle telling it’s the first time ever he’s driving a car.
- Cut some dialogue of the meeting between Marcus & co and the people at the gas station (removed “You point that gun at somebody, you better be ready to pull the trigger.”).
- After shooting the thug in the knee, Blair doesn’t show any pity or remorse for the one who tried to rape her. She doesn’t toss her bag with antibiotics to him. Life after Judgment Day is more about survival.
- Removed campfire scene. A fire in such an open place would definitely get the machine’s attention. Plus the conversation was really lame.
- Cut first trembling mine when Marcus walks through the minefield. The reveal of Marcus being a hybrid is now much more of a surprise.
- Marcus’ face is now shown when he says “My name is Marcus Wright.”
- Created dream flash / flashback about Marcus signing away his body to Cyberdyne to reveal his background and complete the flashback series of his past. Somehow this reveal with his screaming works more in an emotional way.
- Cut the 4 (hybrid) silhouettes at Skynet while people are being processed. Also cut Kyle being identified by the machines. He just gets picked out of the row because of his positive skin type.
- Cut John mentioning Kyle to Ashdown while trying to talk Ashdown out of attacking Skynet while there are still prisoners inside.
- Used Connor motivation speech from the theatrical cut.
- Cut Marcus sending Kyle’s cell location to John. John just gets the message (could be from Marcus, could be from Skynet–who knows). This also omits having Kyle’s name in Skynet’s system.
- Removed some of Skynet Serena’s lines. Also removal of any display of Kyle on screen. Couldn’t remove all cringe worthy lines unfortunately.
- Cut John screaming to Star to run away.
- Cut the T-800 throwing John around. John meets the T-800, then fires his gun. That’s it.
- Cut T-600 shooting John in the shoulder. Useless part that doesn’t get addressed to later on, more a leftover from the original Project Angel act.
- Reconstructed the ending. Marcus dies when the T-800 destroys his heart. Connor only gets scarred, then escapes and flies away while the Skynet building explodes. At the desert camp Kate is sad/emotional because she almost lost John. John gives Kyle his jacket which makes Kyle now a part of the resistance. Kyle Reese buries someone (not John Connor) while discovering the Sarah photograph while John Connor is flown away and gives an (extended) voiceover.
- Added fanedit credits.
- Created new intro titles that shows the results of the nuclear fires, humanity’s struggle after it, the first attack by machines and a nightly fight between men and machine. Added Edgen’s Terminator Theme performed by Justin R. Durban.
- Removed missile POV, start with explosion.
- Removed the T-600 attacking John Connor. If a Terminator pops up behind you, you should be dead as its mechanical hand should already been ripping out your heart.
- Cut Ashdown calling John a prophesized leader. Cut Resistance Command knowing about Kyle Reese and his importance. John Connor is number one on the hitlist. Changed dialogue so Losenko says Connor is number one.
- Cut Connor’s arrival because it shows a complete airbase with bright lights. The machines should have noticed this and already attacked that base. Unfortunately I couldn’t remove these kinds of shots later on in the movie.
- Changed Sarah Connor’s message on tape into the original one from ‘The Terminator.’ Too bad I couldn’t change the photograph into the original one.
- Conversation between John and Kate. Cut “Kill Kyle Reese. Reset the future. No John Connor.” This line just feels like an insult to the IQ of the fans. Plus I think if John and Kate were living together for over 15 years, this would be already very clear to them and no need to repeat such stuff.
- Tightened up the T-600′s attack on Marcus. Cut some staring at each other, T-600 turns around now and immediately starts firing. Cut some of the shooting so it looks like the T-600 is more accurate and Marcus was saved at the last moment by Kyle Reese. Also tightened up Kyle activating the trap for the T-600. Hopefully making the T-600 appear a bit more dangerous. Also cut a little bit of the T-600 shooting its foot to escape the trap.
- Created a “nightmare” flashback sequence in Marcus has some weird flashes of being in jail talking to a woman (Serena) with a sudden and weird ending.
- Cut Aerostat identifying Kyle Reese by name. Also cut some driving and Kyle telling it’s the first time ever he’s driving a car.
- Cut some dialogue of the meeting between Marcus & co and the people at the gas station (removed “You point that gun at somebody, you better be ready to pull the trigger.”).
- After shooting the thug in the knee, Blair doesn’t show any pity or remorse for the one who tried to rape her. She doesn’t toss her bag with antibiotics to him. Life after Judgment Day is more about survival.
- Removed campfire scene. A fire in such an open place would definitely get the machine’s attention. Plus the conversation was really lame.
- Cut first trembling mine when Marcus walks through the minefield. The reveal of Marcus being a hybrid is now much more of a surprise.
- Marcus’ face is now shown when he says “My name is Marcus Wright.”
- Created dream flash / flashback about Marcus signing away his body to Cyberdyne to reveal his background and complete the flashback series of his past. Somehow this reveal with his screaming works more in an emotional way.
- Cut the 4 (hybrid) silhouettes at Skynet while people are being processed. Also cut Kyle being identified by the machines. He just gets picked out of the row because of his positive skin type.
- Cut John mentioning Kyle to Ashdown while trying to talk Ashdown out of attacking Skynet while there are still prisoners inside.
- Used Connor motivation speech from the theatrical cut.
- Cut Marcus sending Kyle’s cell location to John. John just gets the message (could be from Marcus, could be from Skynet–who knows). This also omits having Kyle’s name in Skynet’s system.
- Removed some of Skynet Serena’s lines. Also removal of any display of Kyle on screen. Couldn’t remove all cringe worthy lines unfortunately.
- Cut John screaming to Star to run away.
- Cut the T-800 throwing John around. John meets the T-800, then fires his gun. That’s it.
- Cut T-600 shooting John in the shoulder. Useless part that doesn’t get addressed to later on, more a leftover from the original Project Angel act.
- Reconstructed the ending. Marcus dies when the T-800 destroys his heart. Connor only gets scarred, then escapes and flies away while the Skynet building explodes. At the desert camp Kate is sad/emotional because she almost lost John. John gives Kyle his jacket which makes Kyle now a part of the resistance. Kyle Reese buries someone (not John Connor) while discovering the Sarah photograph while John Connor is flown away and gives an (extended) voiceover.
- Added fanedit credits.
User reviews
9 reviews
Overall rating
7.9
Audio/Video Quality
7.8(4)
Audio Editing
7.7(3)
Visual Editing
7.7(3)
Narrative
8.7(3)
Enjoyment
7.7(9)
(Updated: August 13, 2022)
Overall rating
8.0
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
8.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
7.0
Enjoyment
7.0
A good edit if you want ideas on how Terminator Salvation could have been resequenced to make something that made more sense.
I enjoyed the use of the prison scenes being repurposed as flashbacks for Marcus. The ending gave me a lot of new ideas on how to integrate Marcus' ending in a way that was far better than the original.
The video quality is what you should expect from DVD, I think I have been spolied with HD over the years, but give it a try, it will definitely flips some switches.
I enjoyed the use of the prison scenes being repurposed as flashbacks for Marcus. The ending gave me a lot of new ideas on how to integrate Marcus' ending in a way that was far better than the original.
The video quality is what you should expect from DVD, I think I have been spolied with HD over the years, but give it a try, it will definitely flips some switches.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
F
Overall rating
8.6
Audio/Video Quality
7.0
Audio Editing
9.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
9.0
Was finally able to get ahold of this classic edit after, no lie, YEARS of searching. Boy am I glad I did, because it's a shelf-replacer. The standard T4 dvd is dead. Long live the T4 fanedit.
The problems with the theatrical version of T4 are threefold:
1. We finally get the badass future war with John Connor the badass soldier that was glimpsed back in the original film. And then McG pushes John to the background and focuses more of the movie on this Marcus dude and a zit-popping Kyle Reese.
2. The logic in this movie is dumb, dumb, DUMB. It's constantly undermining the intelligence and capabilities of both the Terminators and the soldiers in favor of making everything connected in a neat little package for a theater audience.
3. It goes overboard with trying to show the cyclical nature of the connection between John and the Terminators. What everyone knows in this film just breaks the time travel of the other films because it creates paradoxes.
What this edit does:
1. Makes lots of artful trims to the Director's Cut of mostly Marcus and Kyle scenes. The result is the remaining footage is far more John's movie, which is great because Christian Bale is doing a killer job (I don't care how many lighting guys he had to tear a new one.)
2. Cuts so many small lines and small moments of stupidity. The Terminators are smart, the soldiers act quickly (except for the scene where they light up their whole secret base to chase one guy.) The Arnold cameo is trimmed down too, which I actually really liked, but in this state only the very best shots are kept and it looks phenomenal. Also rearranges scenes to make plot developments more surprising.
3. References to what Skynet knows are cut so that this film is not some future-past worm eating its own tail. John knows who Kyle Reese is, and unfortunately him trying to save the life of his own dad is a central plot point in the movie. No avoiding that. But at least most other people aren't aware of the significance of all these time travel events and the story just plays more straight. The original ending did have a certain poetry to it that built on T2, but it was also so convenient it was cringey. This is probably better.
Downsides of this edit:
The extensive added footage to the beginning is an impressive and cool way to start, but the video quality on it differs wildly. The music levels are also way off there and in the ending. The ending video quality also differs a bit, as do several deleted scenes that were added in. (Maybe it was like that in the Director's Cut, too?) The beginning in particular has a very noticeable stuttering effect as the video plays. There are also a number of noticeable hard cuts where scenes were moved or deleted, and the filter applied to the flashbacks is distracting... perhaps it was used to cover poor video quality of the original source, but it can't have looked worse than here.
Overall, despite the technical issues, the narrative restructuring and edits make this a FAR superior film to the theatrical cut. The bad news is... it's unnecessary at this point. Terminator: Dark Fate works as a direct sequel to the first two films, and it's a much better movie than even this fanedit. For me, that's the trilogy, and no need for any other Terminator films. But if you wanted to watch Salvation, then this is definitely the cut to watch!
The problems with the theatrical version of T4 are threefold:
1. We finally get the badass future war with John Connor the badass soldier that was glimpsed back in the original film. And then McG pushes John to the background and focuses more of the movie on this Marcus dude and a zit-popping Kyle Reese.
2. The logic in this movie is dumb, dumb, DUMB. It's constantly undermining the intelligence and capabilities of both the Terminators and the soldiers in favor of making everything connected in a neat little package for a theater audience.
3. It goes overboard with trying to show the cyclical nature of the connection between John and the Terminators. What everyone knows in this film just breaks the time travel of the other films because it creates paradoxes.
What this edit does:
1. Makes lots of artful trims to the Director's Cut of mostly Marcus and Kyle scenes. The result is the remaining footage is far more John's movie, which is great because Christian Bale is doing a killer job (I don't care how many lighting guys he had to tear a new one.)
2. Cuts so many small lines and small moments of stupidity. The Terminators are smart, the soldiers act quickly (except for the scene where they light up their whole secret base to chase one guy.) The Arnold cameo is trimmed down too, which I actually really liked, but in this state only the very best shots are kept and it looks phenomenal. Also rearranges scenes to make plot developments more surprising.
3. References to what Skynet knows are cut so that this film is not some future-past worm eating its own tail. John knows who Kyle Reese is, and unfortunately him trying to save the life of his own dad is a central plot point in the movie. No avoiding that. But at least most other people aren't aware of the significance of all these time travel events and the story just plays more straight. The original ending did have a certain poetry to it that built on T2, but it was also so convenient it was cringey. This is probably better.
Downsides of this edit:
The extensive added footage to the beginning is an impressive and cool way to start, but the video quality on it differs wildly. The music levels are also way off there and in the ending. The ending video quality also differs a bit, as do several deleted scenes that were added in. (Maybe it was like that in the Director's Cut, too?) The beginning in particular has a very noticeable stuttering effect as the video plays. There are also a number of noticeable hard cuts where scenes were moved or deleted, and the filter applied to the flashbacks is distracting... perhaps it was used to cover poor video quality of the original source, but it can't have looked worse than here.
Overall, despite the technical issues, the narrative restructuring and edits make this a FAR superior film to the theatrical cut. The bad news is... it's unnecessary at this point. Terminator: Dark Fate works as a direct sequel to the first two films, and it's a much better movie than even this fanedit. For me, that's the trilogy, and no need for any other Terminator films. But if you wanted to watch Salvation, then this is definitely the cut to watch!
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
DVD
M
(Updated: September 05, 2012)
Enjoyment
7.0
February 11, 2011 @ 7:12 pm
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
H
(Updated: September 05, 2012)
Enjoyment
7.0
September 11, 2010 @ 11:14 am
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
B
(Updated: September 05, 2012)
Enjoyment
7.0
October 18, 2010 @ 10:40 pm
This one has been on my CURIOUSITY LIST for a while now…
I really enjoy the whole TERMINATOR Franchise. I absolutely LOVE the now cancelled TV series (shame on you FOX). I haven’t really not enjoyed any of the previous movies. The first two are brillant. T3, while a bit too heavy on the humor, greatly entertained me in a otherwise dismal summer of blockbuster blunders. And I even like T4. Yes, even as a casual fan I noticed the continuity issues, but as a WAR MOVIE, I think it worked pretty well.
So when I read T-Hope’s thread and intention for this movie, I was very excited.
And now after watching, I am pleased to say I was not disappointed.
From a narrative restructuring point of view, this edit is excellent.
All cuts and reorganizing of scenes completely work and improve the overall story.
The new opening was very clever and I was impressed.
The editing of Marcus into a supporting character works well.
The handling of Kyle also works and makes more sense now.
So, again from the storyline perspective, exceptionally well done.
On the technical side, there a few minor issues, all which have been brought up by previous reviewers.
I too found the audio a bit quiet, but nothing distracting or significant. I just turned up the volume and
ate my popcorn!
A few cuts are very hard and noticebale. Also, many of transitions could use another pass to smooth them out.
But despite this, I still found this movie very enjoyable.
I would give this edit a solid 7/10.
Thanks for the fun T-Hope!!!
This one has been on my CURIOUSITY LIST for a while now…
I really enjoy the whole TERMINATOR Franchise. I absolutely LOVE the now cancelled TV series (shame on you FOX). I haven’t really not enjoyed any of the previous movies. The first two are brillant. T3, while a bit too heavy on the humor, greatly entertained me in a otherwise dismal summer of blockbuster blunders. And I even like T4. Yes, even as a casual fan I noticed the continuity issues, but as a WAR MOVIE, I think it worked pretty well.
So when I read T-Hope’s thread and intention for this movie, I was very excited.
And now after watching, I am pleased to say I was not disappointed.
From a narrative restructuring point of view, this edit is excellent.
All cuts and reorganizing of scenes completely work and improve the overall story.
The new opening was very clever and I was impressed.
The editing of Marcus into a supporting character works well.
The handling of Kyle also works and makes more sense now.
So, again from the storyline perspective, exceptionally well done.
On the technical side, there a few minor issues, all which have been brought up by previous reviewers.
I too found the audio a bit quiet, but nothing distracting or significant. I just turned up the volume and
ate my popcorn!
A few cuts are very hard and noticebale. Also, many of transitions could use another pass to smooth them out.
But despite this, I still found this movie very enjoyable.
I would give this edit a solid 7/10.
Thanks for the fun T-Hope!!!
B