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Se7en: The Sinful Cut
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Original Release Date:
1997
Original Running Time:
126
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
132
Time Added:
6
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Brief Synopsis:
Gluttony. Greed. Sloth. Wrath. Pride. Lust. Envy. Two cops track a brilliant and elusive killer who orchestrates a string of horrific murders, each kill targeting a practitioner of one of the Seven Deadly Sins. The Sinful Cut extends an almost perfect film with an all new opening an several deleted scenes. Six new and extended scenes have been masterfully reintegrated into the movie with 6 more minutes of Fincher Footage.
Intention:
I saw Se7en and really loved it, so I decided to add back a few of the deleted scenes that brought some more depth to the characters and story, specifically Somerset and his motivations for retiring in the new opening.
Other Sources:
The Blu-Ray was used for the feature film while the deleted scenes were taken from the Deluxe Special Edition PAL DVD for that glorious 576i resolution.
Special Thanks:
Adabisi for creating his original EE for the film a while back
Release Information:
Digital
Special Features
- Animated Storyboards of Original Opening and Unshot Ending (with commentary by David Fincher)
- Director's Commentary on Deleted Scenes
- Colour Comparison on Deleted Scenes
- Unused Alternate Scenes and Ending (with commentary by David Fincher)
- Director's Commentary on Deleted Scenes
- Colour Comparison on Deleted Scenes
- Unused Alternate Scenes and Ending (with commentary by David Fincher)
Editing Details:
All the new scenes have been colour corrected and sharpened so that they can look better next to HD footage. The SD footage has been crossfaded in almost all scenes to try and create a seemless transition between the deleted footage and the final film.
The two unused scenes, "Tracey Wakes from a Light Sleep" and the alternate ending were unused for the same reasons that Adabisi had left them out. I was originally gonna include them for completionist sake, but I cut them in and realised they didn't need to be there. The Tracey scene was deleted because its a slow exterior shot of the apartment that slows the pace and the theatrical cut has a better scene transition of her waking up, looking for Sumerset and Mills, and then cut to them and what they're doing. This just adds a long pull out shot that puts a wedge between that transition. The alternate ending wasn't too alternate enough to use as it basically just had some different coverage and shots used in editing as the helicopter shots hadn't been filmed yet. There was a small bit of Sumerset checking the delivery driver's licence and registration that I was gonna cut in, but the drop down to SD wasn't worth it for this small bit of dialogue.
The two unused scenes, "Tracey Wakes from a Light Sleep" and the alternate ending were unused for the same reasons that Adabisi had left them out. I was originally gonna include them for completionist sake, but I cut them in and realised they didn't need to be there. The Tracey scene was deleted because its a slow exterior shot of the apartment that slows the pace and the theatrical cut has a better scene transition of her waking up, looking for Sumerset and Mills, and then cut to them and what they're doing. This just adds a long pull out shot that puts a wedge between that transition. The alternate ending wasn't too alternate enough to use as it basically just had some different coverage and shots used in editing as the helicopter shots hadn't been filmed yet. There was a small bit of Sumerset checking the delivery driver's licence and registration that I was gonna cut in, but the drop down to SD wasn't worth it for this small bit of dialogue.
Cuts and Additions:
- Reinserted deleted opening with the final credits sequence, this sequence used footage from later in the film, so it was removed there and put here. The new opening also explains the flower tile that is seen as Sumerset gets ready and the knife.
- Extended car ride in from the gluttony murder
- Removed Sumerset's cab ride (as it was now used in the opening) and replaced it with a homeless man asking for change before Somerset enters the library
- Extended scene of Tracey and Somerset talking before dinner, as he explains what the tile represents
- Extended sequence prior to the raid on Victor's place (Sloth) at the police station and the car ride in
- Extended scene at the Pride murder with some extra gore
- Extended car ride in from the gluttony murder
- Removed Sumerset's cab ride (as it was now used in the opening) and replaced it with a homeless man asking for change before Somerset enters the library
- Extended scene of Tracey and Somerset talking before dinner, as he explains what the tile represents
- Extended sequence prior to the raid on Victor's place (Sloth) at the police station and the car ride in
- Extended scene at the Pride murder with some extra gore
Colour comparisons on deleted scenes
User reviews
6 reviews
Overall rating
8.8
Audio/Video Quality
9.2(6)
Audio Editing
8.3(6)
Visual Editing
8.7(6)
Narrative
9.3(6)
Enjoyment
8.7(6)
Overall rating
8.0
Audio/Video Quality
8.0
Audio Editing
8.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
8.0
Enjoyment
8.0
Bottom line: this is a solid alternative way to REwatch the film, though I don't think I'd recommend showing it to a first time viewer.
I'll first point out that Bobson usually includes extra files in the folders for his edits which are unused scenes or bits with commentary or sometimes a peek into his process. Here, there are before/after comparisons with the deleted scenes, and you can see that his color regrading is impressive. I really appreciated the work done with this footage.
On the other hand, the overall drop in video quality is still quite noticeable, and there are serious framerate issues with several scenes. The audio is also a problem due to the way the sound is mastered, so sometimes dialogue dominates a scene and sometimes it's too quiet.
In terms of how the deleted scenes change/help the narrative, this is an odd one, and feels to me like a missed opportunity. My read on the film is that it's already clear enough what Detective Somerset wants to get away from and why...the extra scenes harping on this are too much for such a subtle film, and just slow things down. While the added car conversation between him and Detective Mills also slows things down, it's probably Pitt's most interesting performance in the film, and it helps sell his choice at the end. I think it has enough value to leave in.
However the two deleted/alternate scenes NOT included are a real shame, ones that would really validate this as an alternate edit of the film. (SPOILERS) The first is a really gorgeous shot of Mills' wife (Paltrow) being all alone in this huge building, which would be perfectly inserted on the final morning as foreshadowing. On the deleted scenes commentary, Fincher himself says how gorgeous the shot was, but how he ultimately thought it might be hinting at the ending too soon. He may be right, but this would be an alternative cut.
Bobson writes here that the ending isn't that different, but he's wrong. In the commentary, Fincher even remarks how the lines and the way the actors play them are totally different, much closer to the storyboards. This was the originally intended ending too, where it's supposed to just cut to black after Mills shoots and walks out of frame. No "coda" as Fincher puts it, that tacked-on ending where Somerset says he thinks the world is "worth fighting for." It's a note that always read false to me. This alternative ending is so much quieter, so much subtler, it's just Somerset and Mills knowing that they're beat, and being helpless to not play it out. That would be such a great way to end this, and seeing the unused footage but not having it cut into this edit is actually painful. I'd love an edit that take this route.
As-is, the scenes included here have some value, but the technical issues would be too much of a distraction on a first time watch, I think. Would love to see a second pass on this one.
I'll first point out that Bobson usually includes extra files in the folders for his edits which are unused scenes or bits with commentary or sometimes a peek into his process. Here, there are before/after comparisons with the deleted scenes, and you can see that his color regrading is impressive. I really appreciated the work done with this footage.
On the other hand, the overall drop in video quality is still quite noticeable, and there are serious framerate issues with several scenes. The audio is also a problem due to the way the sound is mastered, so sometimes dialogue dominates a scene and sometimes it's too quiet.
In terms of how the deleted scenes change/help the narrative, this is an odd one, and feels to me like a missed opportunity. My read on the film is that it's already clear enough what Detective Somerset wants to get away from and why...the extra scenes harping on this are too much for such a subtle film, and just slow things down. While the added car conversation between him and Detective Mills also slows things down, it's probably Pitt's most interesting performance in the film, and it helps sell his choice at the end. I think it has enough value to leave in.
However the two deleted/alternate scenes NOT included are a real shame, ones that would really validate this as an alternate edit of the film. (SPOILERS) The first is a really gorgeous shot of Mills' wife (Paltrow) being all alone in this huge building, which would be perfectly inserted on the final morning as foreshadowing. On the deleted scenes commentary, Fincher himself says how gorgeous the shot was, but how he ultimately thought it might be hinting at the ending too soon. He may be right, but this would be an alternative cut.
Bobson writes here that the ending isn't that different, but he's wrong. In the commentary, Fincher even remarks how the lines and the way the actors play them are totally different, much closer to the storyboards. This was the originally intended ending too, where it's supposed to just cut to black after Mills shoots and walks out of frame. No "coda" as Fincher puts it, that tacked-on ending where Somerset says he thinks the world is "worth fighting for." It's a note that always read false to me. This alternative ending is so much quieter, so much subtler, it's just Somerset and Mills knowing that they're beat, and being helpless to not play it out. That would be such a great way to end this, and seeing the unused footage but not having it cut into this edit is actually painful. I'd love an edit that take this route.
As-is, the scenes included here have some value, but the technical issues would be too much of a distraction on a first time watch, I think. Would love to see a second pass on this one.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
M
Overall rating
10.0
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
10.0
Another fantastic edit from Bobson. The deleted scenes here felt very important and it was great idea to tackle this film. There's a noticeable drop in quality for those moments but I am perfectly fine with this - I'd rather the quality drop and those scenes included than not include them at all. No negatives!
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
L
Overall rating
6.4
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
2.0
Visual Editing
5.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
5.0
I was really excited for this edit because the almost identical one I made over a decade ago would be great with an HD upgrade. I was glad to see Bobson Dugnutt took the reigns and I'd love to recommend this as a replacement for my original edit, but there are some serious technical issues with this edit that prevent me from doing so.
First, the edit looks great is HD and is a big improvement over the SD edit. Overall, this edit looks much better. But an issue arises when the deleted scenes are inserted. There's an obvious, but acceptable, ,drop in quality as the deleted scenes are in SD. But, as another reviewer mentioned, there are some serious technical issues with the frame rates. There obvious ghosting and jagged lines in all the inserted scenes that also extends into the original scenes. This really should have been addressed before it was released.
The second issue is with the audio. The editor has released this with a 5.1 surround mix, but it's really just an extended stereo mix. In a proper 5.1 mix, dialogue should be isolated to the centre channel while other sounds should occupy the front and rear channels. But on this mix, dialogue can be heard through all 5 channels, including rears. The impact of the proper 5.1 mix is completely lost with this edit. Again, this is something that should have been addressed before it was released.
As it stands now, I can't recommend this edit. If the editor was to go back and correct the technical issues, I'd be happy to recommend this as a replacement to my dusty old SE7EN Extended Edition.
First, the edit looks great is HD and is a big improvement over the SD edit. Overall, this edit looks much better. But an issue arises when the deleted scenes are inserted. There's an obvious, but acceptable, ,drop in quality as the deleted scenes are in SD. But, as another reviewer mentioned, there are some serious technical issues with the frame rates. There obvious ghosting and jagged lines in all the inserted scenes that also extends into the original scenes. This really should have been addressed before it was released.
The second issue is with the audio. The editor has released this with a 5.1 surround mix, but it's really just an extended stereo mix. In a proper 5.1 mix, dialogue should be isolated to the centre channel while other sounds should occupy the front and rear channels. But on this mix, dialogue can be heard through all 5 channels, including rears. The impact of the proper 5.1 mix is completely lost with this edit. Again, this is something that should have been addressed before it was released.
As it stands now, I can't recommend this edit. If the editor was to go back and correct the technical issues, I'd be happy to recommend this as a replacement to my dusty old SE7EN Extended Edition.
A
Overall rating
9.6
Audio/Video Quality
9.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
9.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
10.0
A great upgrade from the SE7EN Extended Edition released years ago.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
E
(Updated: December 12, 2019)
Overall rating
10.0
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
10.0
A pitch-perfect crime thriller made even more perfect by the addition of very well-integrated deleted scenes that complement the narrative beautifully. Excellent work.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
F