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Original Release Date:
2012
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245
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143
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**12/2023 Complete Rebuild. Please change list.
"Paradise" is easily one of my favorite franchise-saving fanedit of all time. It highlights what is great about the prequels, and ditches everything else. I watched it endlessly.
Over time, I wondered - what would a chronological edit look like? And after having gotten the blessing of jobwillins himself, I began to experiment. The initial simple chronological re-edit lost all the magic and tension that made Paradise great.
But I kept playing with different ways to try to keep the "David-centric" story, and settled on this two-episode format. This is an admittedly inferior re-imagining of Paradise, but still a fun and different way to focus on the deeper questions raised in these films, each about 70 minutes.
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"Paradise" is easily one of my favorite franchise-saving fanedit of all time. It highlights what is great about the prequels, and ditches everything else. I watched it endlessly.
Over time, I wondered - what would a chronological edit look like? And after having gotten the blessing of jobwillins himself, I began to experiment. The initial simple chronological re-edit lost all the magic and tension that made Paradise great.
But I kept playing with different ways to try to keep the "David-centric" story, and settled on this two-episode format. This is an admittedly inferior re-imagining of Paradise, but still a fun and different way to focus on the deeper questions raised in these films, each about 70 minutes.
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Intention:
And while I was editing these anyways, I wanted to address continuity issues mentioned so often in these prequels and make this truly an Alien Prequel story.
- David is undoubtedly now the source of the xenomorphs (we reveal only the baby trilobite from the Prometheus episode, and only seeing more once David begins tinkering, and his monologue in his lab is adjusted to support this.)
- No chestburster scenes or terrible Xenomorph confrontations. (Trying to honor the original Alien movies.)
- Prometheus does not land on LV-223. (Remove all mention of the planet name.)
- Better connect it to the Juggernaut in Alien. (A juggernaut closes in on the Covenant in the final shots.)
- Remove or minimize stupidity of crew decisions to be less obvious and maddening. (As much as footage an narratives allow of course.)
- David is undoubtedly now the source of the xenomorphs (we reveal only the baby trilobite from the Prometheus episode, and only seeing more once David begins tinkering, and his monologue in his lab is adjusted to support this.)
- No chestburster scenes or terrible Xenomorph confrontations. (Trying to honor the original Alien movies.)
- Prometheus does not land on LV-223. (Remove all mention of the planet name.)
- Better connect it to the Juggernaut in Alien. (A juggernaut closes in on the Covenant in the final shots.)
- Remove or minimize stupidity of crew decisions to be less obvious and maddening. (As much as footage an narratives allow of course.)
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Paradise by Job Willins
Bluray Deletes Scenes and Extras
Bluray Deletes Scenes and Extras
Special Thanks:
Job Willins of course, for his amazing inspiration and for allowing me to tinker with his art.
Daydream in Blue for countless viewings in extremely early drafts compared to now.
Malthus for giving an early draft a look and giving great feedback.
Last Impressions for solid feedback in the threads.
ClosertoGod for multiple audio reviews.
Daydream in Blue for countless viewings in extremely early drafts compared to now.
Malthus for giving an early draft a look and giving great feedback.
Last Impressions for solid feedback in the threads.
ClosertoGod for multiple audio reviews.
Release Information:
Digital
Editing Details:
Show, don't tell principles effect.
Smaller more focused storylines with less main character focus to highlight the philosophical questions presented in the films, and cutting screen time and interest for characters that make glaringly bad decisions.
Smaller more focused storylines with less main character focus to highlight the philosophical questions presented in the films, and cutting screen time and interest for characters that make glaringly bad decisions.
Cuts and Additions:
All scenes have minor edits to dialogue and visuals for better pacing, continuity, and storytelling.
Main Changes as of 12/2023:
Episode 1
Opens with a trimmed Weyland Ted Talk.
David's "birth" from Covenant used for David's intro, dialogue adjusted.
All Prometheus footage before the ship in space are removed, we begin with David.
Removed David looking into dreams.
-Re-added and tightened scenes of Crew awakening from cryosleep.
Weyland's presentation trimmed.
Holloway's presentation trimmed and graphics for LV-223 are removed.
Prometheus ship planet landing sequence trimmed.
Crew interactions in the dome trimmed for to remove focus on anyone but the doctors and David.
Xenomorph mural reference removed.
Paradise deleted scene of Shaw debreifing the room with Country Roads cover used.
Vickers confrontation with David in hallway moved to later.
Shaw "DNA" discovery trimmed for less information.
David's tainting of Holloway's drink adjusted for more subtle finger drop into drink.
Scenes of crew left in dome removed.
-Tightened discussion of Shaw's physical issues.
-Re-addedVickers and Janek scene, trimmed to only highlight Vicker's questionable status as a human.
Removed worm in Hollaway's eye.
-Move Vicker's hallway confrontation with David to after he returns from cutting off his camera.
-Added Fifeilds return from deleted scene.
-Re-added Vicker's scene with Weyland.
Vickers dies before she can escape the Prometheus.
Shaw is killed by the falling Juggernaut.
-New prologue explaining the effects on the Weyland Corporation.
End of Episode 1.
Episode 2
-Begins with "birth" of Walter as an all new commercial from Weyland Yutani, designed to mimic an Apple ad.
Paradise intro of Walter with Beatles music used.
-Added and trimmed deleted scene of Walter giving Daniels weed.
Bridge discussion scene dialogue trimmed.
-Readded and inserted part of the deleted scene of the funeral.
Covenant repair scenes trimmed for pacing.
Transmission discussion scene trimmed for logic. (removed things like "declention")
Trimmed Lander arrival sequence.
Recon team scenes trimmed for pacing.
-Trimmed Ledward scenes of him getting infected.
-Trimmed Chris getting infected.
-Prometheus aftermath from Paradise used as a guide to begin David's introduction, and "The Crossing" trimmed and rescored to finish it.
-Oram and David interaction highly trimmed to show David as the creator of the Xenomorphs.
Oram looking into a pod removed, and Oram's chestburster scene removed.
-David's genocide scene trimmed and moved to after Walter finds Shaw's body.
Xenomorph confrontation on both the Lander and the main Covenant ship removed.
Final sequence based on Paradise, with David making a transmission back to earth. Now with the Wagner song replaced with the same piano music from Davids time alone at the beginning of Part One.
-Final shot adds an updated juggernaut cruising into frame following the Covenant.
Main Changes as of 12/2023:
Episode 1
Opens with a trimmed Weyland Ted Talk.
David's "birth" from Covenant used for David's intro, dialogue adjusted.
All Prometheus footage before the ship in space are removed, we begin with David.
Removed David looking into dreams.
-Re-added and tightened scenes of Crew awakening from cryosleep.
Weyland's presentation trimmed.
Holloway's presentation trimmed and graphics for LV-223 are removed.
Prometheus ship planet landing sequence trimmed.
Crew interactions in the dome trimmed for to remove focus on anyone but the doctors and David.
Xenomorph mural reference removed.
Paradise deleted scene of Shaw debreifing the room with Country Roads cover used.
Vickers confrontation with David in hallway moved to later.
Shaw "DNA" discovery trimmed for less information.
David's tainting of Holloway's drink adjusted for more subtle finger drop into drink.
Scenes of crew left in dome removed.
-Tightened discussion of Shaw's physical issues.
-Re-addedVickers and Janek scene, trimmed to only highlight Vicker's questionable status as a human.
Removed worm in Hollaway's eye.
-Move Vicker's hallway confrontation with David to after he returns from cutting off his camera.
-Added Fifeilds return from deleted scene.
-Re-added Vicker's scene with Weyland.
Vickers dies before she can escape the Prometheus.
Shaw is killed by the falling Juggernaut.
-New prologue explaining the effects on the Weyland Corporation.
End of Episode 1.
Episode 2
-Begins with "birth" of Walter as an all new commercial from Weyland Yutani, designed to mimic an Apple ad.
Paradise intro of Walter with Beatles music used.
-Added and trimmed deleted scene of Walter giving Daniels weed.
Bridge discussion scene dialogue trimmed.
-Readded and inserted part of the deleted scene of the funeral.
Covenant repair scenes trimmed for pacing.
Transmission discussion scene trimmed for logic. (removed things like "declention")
Trimmed Lander arrival sequence.
Recon team scenes trimmed for pacing.
-Trimmed Ledward scenes of him getting infected.
-Trimmed Chris getting infected.
-Prometheus aftermath from Paradise used as a guide to begin David's introduction, and "The Crossing" trimmed and rescored to finish it.
-Oram and David interaction highly trimmed to show David as the creator of the Xenomorphs.
Oram looking into a pod removed, and Oram's chestburster scene removed.
-David's genocide scene trimmed and moved to after Walter finds Shaw's body.
Xenomorph confrontation on both the Lander and the main Covenant ship removed.
Final sequence based on Paradise, with David making a transmission back to earth. Now with the Wagner song replaced with the same piano music from Davids time alone at the beginning of Part One.
-Final shot adds an updated juggernaut cruising into frame following the Covenant.
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User reviews
7 reviews
Overall rating
9.6
Audio/Video Quality
9.9(7)
Audio Editing
10.0(7)
Visual Editing
10.0(7)
Narrative
9.0(7)
Enjoyment
9.0(7)
Overall rating
9.0
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
7.0
Enjoyment
8.0
This is a very good edit, as Wakeupkeo does fantastic jobs!
I made the mistake of not seeing the full versions of the movies in a very long time. Some of the cuts did not quite make sense and felt a little choppy. I found myself looking up plot points while watching. I understand there is not much one can do to smooth it out.
I did really enjoy it, however. Great visual and audio quality, and I look forward to Wakeupkeo's next edits.
I made the mistake of not seeing the full versions of the movies in a very long time. Some of the cuts did not quite make sense and felt a little choppy. I found myself looking up plot points while watching. I understand there is not much one can do to smooth it out.
I did really enjoy it, however. Great visual and audio quality, and I look forward to Wakeupkeo's next edits.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
Z
(Updated: October 04, 2022)
Overall rating
9.2
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
8.0
Enjoyment
8.0
Removing the bloat of the original Prometheus with "David" helped me appreciate the theatrical movie more, and the Alien: Covenant "Walter" section helped me to understand the choices that were made in Prometheus. My biggest complaint is that Shaw's C-section leading right into old Weyland and David felt jarring and unaddressed in the Prometheus episode and I wish we saw more of the proto-xenomorph in the Covenant episode, but beyond that it was awesome. A solid 8 out of 10.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
B
Overall rating
9.6
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
9.0
Enjoyment
9.0
This is my to go version from now on ! Originally both movies were to me cheesy ... and slow.
You rly did a great job , My only suggestion would be instead of credits in the middle to put "10 years after black screen" and put all credits at the end ! And why not leave as much scenes as possible from the alien race (humanoid) , they are very cool !
In any case thank you so much for this !
You rly did a great job , My only suggestion would be instead of credits in the middle to put "10 years after black screen" and put all credits at the end ! And why not leave as much scenes as possible from the alien race (humanoid) , they are very cool !
In any case thank you so much for this !
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
U
(Updated: July 17, 2022)
Overall rating
10.0
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
10.0
Enjoyment
10.0
You had a wonderful source to work of thanks to JobWillins :) He did an amazing job. Although i personally had trouble with the way he told the story, it was too much jumping around for me personally.
Your re-edit fixed that and i was able to wholeheartly enjoy this masterpiece. I couldn´t think of any major/minor negative :)
Thank you for this
Your re-edit fixed that and i was able to wholeheartly enjoy this masterpiece. I couldn´t think of any major/minor negative :)
Thank you for this
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
S
(Updated: November 10, 2021)
Overall rating
9.6
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
9.0
Enjoyment
9.0
As much as I, like wakeupkeo, admire Job Willins' masterful edits, I struggled with the latter's non-chronological Paradise edit of Prometheus/Alien Covenant due to there just being too many characters, too many Fassbenders, and too many grey spaceship interiors to keep track of. This "anthology" cut is the perfect remedy to my problem, clarifying the themes and virtues of Scott's prequels, and successfully making the protagonists more likeable and less dementedly stupid. One quibble: I was a little bit fuzzy on Charlize Theron's character's fate at the end of Episode 1, some re-sequencing of that particular sequence might be a suggestion for a future revision. However, the tremendous re-working of the end of the Episode 2 adds so much resonance to this project and the Alien franchise as a whole, that nitpicks are easily forgotten. One of my favourite "rescue edits" to date, I'll be going back to this fanedit each time I rewatch my beloved xenomorph movies.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
R