Star Wars - Episode VI: Return of the Jedi – The Spence Final Cut
- Clips of ideas I abandoned and a little discussion about them and why they were not used.
- A Basic Fan Editing Tutorial, basically a video version of ADM’s tutorial. Great for noobs!
- Rogue-theX Easter Egg
My quest has always been to figure out what that element of the film is that keeps it from succeeding. I assumed it was the ewoks, as I really dislike them, but its not. The biggest problem with the movie is the lack of tension.
During the entire battle on endor, there’s not a single moment where it feels as of Han and Leia will not succeed. The humor of the sequence, the cuteness of the ewoks, its just really hard to think the empire will kill all the Teddy bears and capture our heroes.
Their success is what Lando and the fleet are depending on. So if Han seems like he’ll obviously win, this feeling stretches to the fleet as well.
The only tense sequence is between Luke and Vader. Its the core or the story, and there are real moments of darkness and doubt within it. Except, since this whole sequence happens on the Death Star, it’s essentially meaningless, as regardless of what happened, they would’ve all been blown up anyway.
Having seen the new edit of phantom, Shadow of the Sith, I realized how rearranging the ending can really help with the tension. everything has to feel as if our heroes will all fail.
- The set up for the movie is totally different, as per the new crawl. Luke’s been training with Yoda since shortly after ESB. Chewy was already captured when he and Lando went to Tattooine at the end of ESB, and Lando has managed to get under-cover inside the palace. Leia grows restless waiting for Luke to return, and goes to rescue Han herself.
- Luke is forced to use a simpler plan, sending the droids in with his lightsaber, then going in himself to break everyone out. It clears up the original completely stupid and illogical plan.
- No Boba Fett. He isn’t at Jabba’s. There’s really no reason for him to be there, and it gets rid of his silly death.
- No Rancor. Our first action scene is Luke being a full on Jedi, and beginning is all build up to that.
- Lots of trims to Han being an idiot. Removed all of his jealousy toward Luke. The love story was resolved in ESB, so his jealousy just makes him seem foolish.
- Lots of trims to the Ewoks. They’re still likeable and kind of cute, but not over the top. you can kind of believe they succeed in their battle now, with the way it is cut.
- The emperor’s throne room is moved to a big Star Destroyer instead of on the Death Star, so Luke’s battle still has meaning. This Star Destroyer does not blow up in the battle. Lots of establishing shots and additions to make this very clear.
- The battle is totally reordered for pacing, making it appear that the rebellion is losing the battle up until after the emperor is killed.
- We get the release of winning the battle, then go to Vader’s death, so the sequence never slows down. Because they were on the Death Star, the emotional beat with Vader had to happen before the Death Star explosion, but it totally ruins the pacing. Now, that doesn’t matter, because they aren’t on it.
- New ending with a little more emotional resonance. The final shot of the movie is now Luke burning Vader’s body, bringing the whole saga full circle.
- Some musical call backs to the prequels.
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- MOVED Dagobah sequence to right after the first Death Star scene.
- CUT Yoda confirming Vader is Luke’s father.
- CUT Obi-Wan’s ghost visiting Luke on Dagobah.
- CUT Lapti Nek/ Musical sequence.
- CUT Boba Fett from every scene of the movie.
- CUT frog guy eating a rodent in in the Jabba’s palace wide shot.
- CUT Leia as Boussh handing Chewy over to Jabba.
- MOVED Liea freeing Han from carbonite to after Dagobah.
- ADDED Luke sensing his friends are in trouble when they get caught by Jabba, using shots from him feeling Kenobi’s presence on Dagobah.
- REPLACED all of Jabba’s subtitles, to give him more personality and help with my cuts.
- RECOLORED 3PO when Jabba catches Han/Leia, so he appears to be a different droid. In this chronology, he hasn’t arrived yet.
- CROPPED 3PO out of many shots in this sequence.
- ADDED shots of Luke flying away from Dagobah from ESB, making it appear that he is headed for Tattooine.
- MOVED Han and Chewy in the prison cell to after Luke leaves Dagobah.
- CUT Han being filled in by Chewy on what’s going on.
- MOVED Droids arrival to after prison cell scene.
- CUT 3PO’s dialogue about Lando and Chewy never returning.
- CUT Eye droid (IDroid?) At Jabba’s gate. 3PO knocks, begins to walk away, and the door opens.
- ADDED Leia chained up with Jabba during the scene with the droids.
- CUT/CROPPED any shots that show Leia not being there.
- CUT much of Luke’s message to get to point faster.
- CUT 3PO not knowing about Luke’s plan to give them to Jabba.
- CUT the end of the droid scene, ending it now with 3PO’s “We’re Doomed!”
- MOVED Emperor’s arrival at the Death Star to after the Droids in Jabba’s Palace.
- MOVED Luke’s arrival to right after Emperor Death Star scene.
- ADDED Day time establishing shot of Jabba’s before Luke arrives.
- CUT Luke choking the pig guards. That would get him at least 2 dark side points.
- CUT all of Bib Fortuna’s dialogue with Luke. We don’t know he’s doing the mind trick until he repates things to Jabba.
- CUT much of Luke’s dialogue with Jabba. The only lines kept are “I must be allowed to speak” “You will bring Captain Solo and the Wookiee to me” and “You can either profit from this, or be destroyed. It’s your choice, but I warn you not to underestimate my powers.”
- CUT Rancor sequence. Moved some shots and dialogue from Jabba to make this transition work.
- CUT the droids interacting on the sail barge.
- CUT Luke and Han dialogue scene on the skiff.
- REPLACED original Sarlaac and sounds in every shot (sourced from the GOUT DVD.)
- CUT “3PO, tell that slimey piece of…” Now Han just says “He’ll get no such pleasure from us!”
- CUT a few shots of everyone looking at each other before Luke walks the plank.
- CUT Threepio on the barge from action sequence.
- CUT some of Han’s dialogue.
- CUT many little things in the Skiff fight for pacing.
- MOVED 3PO and R2 falling off the barge to after Luke fires the canon at the deck. Now it looks like they jump off just as the explosion occurs.
- MOVED Rebel briefing to after they leave Tattooine.
- CUT Han’s dialogue with Lando. “Well look at you, a general…” etc.
- CUT some of the dialogue after Han is announced as leading the Endor away team to remove some cheese.
- CUT the beginning of Han and Lando talking about the Falcon, so it feels like we come into the middle of their conversation.
- MOVED the shuttle arrival at Endor to right after they leave the Fleet.
- ADDED Death Star establishing shot to smooth transition between these scenes.
- CUT some of Han’s shenanigans and other dialogue from the Faking the Code scene. Now the focus is mainly on Luke and Vader sensing each other.
- CUT “Hey, it’s me!” sequence.
- ADDED music to Speeder Bike chase. (thanks to Rogue-theX)
- CUT various shots from Speeder chase for pacing.
- CUT Leia/Luke dialogue in this scene other than “Jam their comms!)
- CUT Leia passing out after she falls off of her speeder bike.
- CUT most of Wicket’s first scene. We just see him walk up to Leia with his spear.
- CUT Luke finding Leia’s helmet.
- CUT some of everyones stupidity standing around looking at the Ewok’s trap. Chewy now goes straight for the meat.
- CUT Han and 3PO’s exchange about “proper”
- CUT some of the end of the Levitation scene. I don’t really need to see the heroes happily reunited yet again.
- MOVED Luke walking outside to earlier in 3PO’s story.
- CUT 3PO’s story after “Yes, R2, I was getting to that.” Removed rest of that scene.
- CUT some of Leia’s dialogue about her mother. She didn’t really shouldn’t know anything about her.
- CUT Han coming outside at the end of this scene.
- CUT Vader’s dialogue about it being “Too late for me now”
- CUT some of the Ewok on the Speeder bike.
- CUT Han tapping the guard on the shoulder. It’s now implied that they all followed the Ewok on the bike and we cut straight to the door opening.
- ADDED shots from ESB of Vader’s shuttle flying to The Executor and landing, which moves Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes to a Star Destroyer rather than the Death Star.
- CUT “Bring those two down here!” When 3PO distracts the Imperials. It makes no sense, they only saw 3PO.
- CUT many Ewok scenes. Anything involving traps or over-cutesy stuff is gone.
- ADDED Death Star to many window shots in the Throne Room (Thanks to Bobgarcia74.)
- CUT “Witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!”
- ADDED Reversal of the shot where Luke/Vader clash sabers in front of the Emperor, so it looks like they lift them up again.
- MOVED all of the Vader/Luke fight to immediately after they clash sabers.
- ADDED Duel of the Fates to the lighsaber battle.
- CUT Emperor’s dialogue during the scene.
- CUT Luke kicking Vader down the stairs and him walking back up.
- CUT all dialogue from Luke jumping to the rafters to Vader throwing his saber. Now he throws it at him immediately after he jumps out of the way.
- CUT some of Vader walking down the stairs.
- CUT Luke responding to Vader while he’s hiding.
- DARKENED Luke standing in the shadows.
- MOVED some of the fleet battle to after “So be it, Jedi.”
- MOVED Leia and Han trying to open the door to after “we’ve gotta give him more time!”
- MOVED Chewy and Ewoks taking the ATST to after the extra blast doors close.
- CUT some bits of the ATST takeover to make it less silly.
- MOVED Leia being shot to after ATST sequence.
- MOVED Vader’s redemption to after Han’s “I’ve got an idea.”
- MOVED Han taking the bunker to right after Emperor’s death.
- MOVED Han running from the bunker and the explosion to right after they set the charges.
- CUT Han’s reaction to the explosion.
- MOVED “The shield is down, commence attack!” to right after explosion.
- CUT the Executor being destroyed. The Rebels still attack it.
- ADDED Anakin’s Theme from TPM over his death.
- CUT Leia and Han’s dialogue about Luke. Now they look up at the explosion and kiss.
- CUT Wicket interrupting their kiss.
- MOVED Celebrations around the galaxy to after Leia and Han kiss.
- CUT Endor Celebration, other than one shot that pans down from the fireworks.
- MOVED the funeral pyre scene to the end, custom new music added (thanks to Rogue-theX)
- ADDED Iris transition to credits after the camera pans up from Luke to the fireworks.
- ADDED a couple of extra credits at the end for me and everyone who has helped me with the edit.
Most fans of Star Wars can admit that Jedi is nowhere near on-par with Empire. Having been released thirty years ago, I decided to do some research to find out what the awesome community at Fanedit.org was doing about this film. Spence's final cut was the first edit of Jedi that I watched, and I wasn't very moved. Many of the cuts made were great, and I have to compliment the editor on the entire last act (save a few music choices I'll mention). The complete rearranging of the final battle added more tension than I ever felt during that scene. The Ewoks and their "shenanigans" were limited and tolerable, drawing the focus to the Rebellion in a much more convincing way.
Most of my problems come from personal preference, though I'll try to stay unbiased: The Tatooine scene was cut way too short. Jabba's palace has this slow buildup in Jedi, which I think adds more to Han's rescue in terms of tension and adventure. Some cuts of redundant conversations were good, but the scene moved much too quickly, which resulted in a "tying up loose ends" scene from that whole Cloud City arc from Empire. The strongest part of Jedi, I felt, suffered the most amount of cuts in this edit.
There were a lot of smaller cuts, mostly with Han, that I actually approve of. His humor was tagged down in this edit, I think that adds a ton to his character's growing maturity (which, of course, stemmed from the moment he joined the Alliance). Some transitions from scene to scene were a bit too jarring, but the characters didn't suffer from it.
The biggest problems I have with the edit involve the choice of adding tracks from the prequels. I love those soundtracks, but Duel of the Fates did not fit at all. That scene didn't need music, it dragged my focus away from the Vader/Luke conflict. The new song over their last conversation was also distracting and too overbearing. Simplicity and a minimalistic sound worked well in both those scenes in Jedi, they seem too bogged down now.
Was the edit truly bad? Not at all, and I can see why it won Edit of the Month. Would I watch it again? No, most of the cuts were just too radical for my taste.
I really like Return of the Jedi, but in terms of ending a saga, it's really disappointing. The story is flat and tensionless. The special editions added more nonsense to an already weak entry to the saga.
I presume the source for this edit was the 2004 Special Edition DVD + 2006 GOUT DVD (for replacing SE nonsense), so the quality isn't the best. Same goes for the editing. It's not bad, but in some places it feels choppy. Especially in Tatooine where Luke senses his friends. Still a minor problem though, it doesn't hurt the experience.
Spence has created a great narrative in this edit. He fixed the Tatooine plot perfectly, for example. In my opinion, the Dagobah scene should have been left as it is, Obi-Wan and all. Also the new ending is IMO too abrubpt. I wish that would have been left in. The biggest problem, though, is the Death Star/Star Destroyer swap. In the original movie, we find out that The Emperor is confident enough to see the final stages of the Death Star II, and so he is in it. The Rebels decide to end the war once and for all with this information and destroy the Death Star. There was tension there, but not enough. Here, though, he goes to the Star Destroyer, and the Rebels attack the Death Star. Huh? This plan makes no sense, why not destroy the Star Destroyer? Also the tension is gone here. And Luke ends the war. It's abrubpt again.
Finally, we end up with a fanedit that is just as good as the original, but I prefer the original because of the narrative making more sense. It's a good edit, though. Just not as good as I expected.
I share much of Spence's disappointment with RotJ. So I was really looking forward to this. I like a lot of the narrative revisions here. Starting with having Luke on Dagobah at the beginning. It always felt wrong that Yoda tells him his training has been completed when he just returned for the first time since Obi Wan and Yoda pleading with him not to go to Cloud City until he completed his training. That said, I'm not crazy about the flashes to Luke on Dagobah when Han and Leia are in trouble at Jabba's Palace. I get the intent but I think viewers would be okay without these flashes.
The whole Jabba's section is much tighter, which was needed in my opinion. Getting rid of Boba Fett and his awful death scene go without saying as positive changes.
A minor quibble, but Luke now separates from the rest of the group as they leave Tatooine for no apparent reason and just shows up to the briefing late.
One random thing that's not really a complaint with this edit is the terrible matte painting of the Falcon when Han and Lando are talking. I'm hoping Adywan is able to redo that when we (eventually) get his Jedi Revisited.
Once we get going on the mission a lot of cheese has been removed and we get to the point a lot faster. In particular, Han is no longer the chump he was originally portrayed as. With a lot of that cheese trimmed the focus is now more strongly on the Luke/Vader/Emperor storyline, which is how it should be at this point of the story.
Speaking of which, Spence obviously thought strongly that these scenes should happen off the Death Star (and I understand his reasoning). I can't say I ever had similar feelings. Though what he's done, he's done well. I still really don't feel it's necessary. But it doesn't detract either. I very much like the Luke/Vader duel happening uninterrupted but it comes at a cost. I feel Vader's defeat comes too soon. I would've liked to have seen the shield destroyed and the attack on the Death Star begin before Vader's defeat. The cut back to the Throne Room when the Emperor attacks Luke is jarring as well.
Again I get the intent but the Anakin's Theme music over Vader's death just doesn't work for me. I didn't mind the earlier use of Duel of the Fates.
I love cutting out Han being a chump about Leia loving Luke but the cuts feel a little rough. I also like ending with the funeral pyre but right after it irises to the credits the music got twice as loud. Not sure if that happens for everyone. Seemed weird.
Overall I enjoyed it. It would be very close to replacing the original for me were it in HD. As it is, I'll probably show both to my kids and see which they prefer.
Really liked it. This is my go to edit of Return of the Jedi. Thank you. If I'm watching the OT, its gonna be Harmy's Despecialized Ep 4, Lucas' Ep 5, and this to cap it off. I always thought it was silly that Luke appeared to be skipping in and out of his Jedi Training. I was fairly ambivalent about moving the confrontation with Palpatine off the Death Star. It never bothered me before that this took place on the Death Star, and it doesn't really bother me to have it on a ship. I felt the parts where Luke is sensing the danger on Tatooine seemed a little jarring. The transitions between the two scenes felt too quick. I do believe this movie is better off with most of the Jabba and Tatooine nonsense cut out. Not my best review, sorry, but I did enjoy it.
I finally watched this, and I have to say it's a tough one to review. Overall I think I enjoyed it, and although there were many things that didn't work for me, it was a pretty interesting watch.
The main footage (I assume) is from the 2004 DVD, which means in some cases we get some SE footage I would rather not see again. Spence did cut around some of the worst stuff (the Jabba palace musical number and the Hayden force ghost, for instance), but Vader's awful candy cane lightsaber is still there. And in some cases he replaced SE footage with other sources (presumably the GOUT?), but it sticks out pretty badly. I know he did the best he could with it, but it still bugged me.
As others have mentioned, there were a few audio hiccups, mainly several places where the lip sync was slightly off and the really jarring increase in audio levels when the credits roll. Oh, and the fact that the "Fanedited by Spence" credit is superimposed over another credit feels sloppy. Give yourself more credit, man!
The prequel music worked fine, but it's always jarring for me when I hear it during an OT music.
The other two things that stood out for me were that I missed some of Han's lines (like "fly casual" and "hey, it's me") and I was at first confused by the Emperor not being on the Death Star. I thought that needed to be established better.
The opening sequence was pretty neat to watch, although I still think I prefer the original. The way Spence handled Leia meeting Wicket was fantastic. And the Ewok battle was pretty well done as well.
In, the end, I gave this a 7/10 due to the minor tech issues and the things that just didn't work for me. At the same time, I do recommend watching this, as it's a really interesting attempt at editing a Star Wars movie that hasn't seen too many edits.