Terminator 2: Hands of Fate
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Overall rating
9.4
Audio/Video Quality
9.6(21)
Audio Editing
9.4(22)
Visual Editing
9.5(22)
Narrative
9.4(19)
Enjoyment
9.0(31)
Overall rating
9.2
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
9.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
8.0
Enjoyment
9.0
Watched this with my roommates last night, had a blast. Cheese cutting went over well.
I much prefer the theatrical cut of T2, Special Edition is too long. But for anybody who loves the SE this edit should be right up your alley.
Editing was smooth. The only nitpick is during the Kyle dream sequence I could hear the cuts quite clearly. But it was a dream sequence so it helped the atmosphere some.
The new music at the bar was awesome, 100% helps to set the tone and keep the suspense going.
A/V quality - 10
Editing - 10 visual, 9 audio
Narrative - 8
Enjoyment - 9 (10 theatrical)
Recommended drink: Judgment Day
I much prefer the theatrical cut of T2, Special Edition is too long. But for anybody who loves the SE this edit should be right up your alley.
Editing was smooth. The only nitpick is during the Kyle dream sequence I could hear the cuts quite clearly. But it was a dream sequence so it helped the atmosphere some.
The new music at the bar was awesome, 100% helps to set the tone and keep the suspense going.
A/V quality - 10
Editing - 10 visual, 9 audio
Narrative - 8
Enjoyment - 9 (10 theatrical)
Recommended drink: Judgment Day
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Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
N
Overall rating
9.2
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
7.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Narrative
9.0
Enjoyment
10.0
Very enjoyable edit. The goal of removing the extra cheese was carried off very well. Removing the cringe worthy portions made it a much better film for our current time. The only negative I had was the the dialog channel seemed at a lower volume than the rest, but that maybe I should have fiddled with my amplifier more. Don't forget to view the Fanedit "making of" featurette. The editor explains all the steps he went through to clean up a scene and the difficulties involved. (such as inappropriate music polluting all of the audio channels) I like seeing the nuts and bolts of fanediting, it gives an appreciation of what is required to make these changes seamless.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
T
Overall rating
9.2
Audio/Video Quality
10.0
Audio Editing
9.0
Visual Editing
8.0
Narrative
9.0
Enjoyment
10.0
Original review (2009 DVD):
First off, the A/V quality has been discussed plenty and all I will say is that it was as I expected. The concerns that have been raised are valid but it did not prevent me from enjoying the edit.
As far as the actual editing goes, I was very impressed. The cuts were logical and generally not noticeable (especially if you don't know what to look for). The reworked bad to the bone scene worked very well, and as was made obvious in the great bonus featurette, required a good deal of effort. I miss the "how's the knee" line but understand the reasoning. I really liked the trimmed first dream sequence. I kind of like the "model citizen" line but can understand why it went. Arnie's bike jump into the canal never bothered me that much but this edit handles it just fine (I agreed that it seemed obvious he was already heading down a slope and the jump wasn't necessary). No problemo, hasta la vista, need a vacation, thumbs up - all good cuts.
So all in all, I enjoyed this edit. It won't replace my Extreme DVD due to the A/V issues, but it was a worthwhile watch. And if Throw ever did a V2.0 with improved video and true 5.1? It would be a home run.
Updated Review (2013 HD mkv):
It's a home run!
The 720p mkv is rock solid in quality and the 5.1 sound is now true 5.1. The re-edits to the parking lot and gas station scenes work great. My one minor nitpick was the cutaway from the T-1000 giving Sarah the "no-no-no" finger wag when she runs out of ammo in the end factory scene - it was a bit obvious that something was cut there, and I personally would have just left it intact.
Well done, and thanks for creating this version. I plan on watching it again the next time I have a hankerin' for some T2 spankerin'.
First off, the A/V quality has been discussed plenty and all I will say is that it was as I expected. The concerns that have been raised are valid but it did not prevent me from enjoying the edit.
As far as the actual editing goes, I was very impressed. The cuts were logical and generally not noticeable (especially if you don't know what to look for). The reworked bad to the bone scene worked very well, and as was made obvious in the great bonus featurette, required a good deal of effort. I miss the "how's the knee" line but understand the reasoning. I really liked the trimmed first dream sequence. I kind of like the "model citizen" line but can understand why it went. Arnie's bike jump into the canal never bothered me that much but this edit handles it just fine (I agreed that it seemed obvious he was already heading down a slope and the jump wasn't necessary). No problemo, hasta la vista, need a vacation, thumbs up - all good cuts.
So all in all, I enjoyed this edit. It won't replace my Extreme DVD due to the A/V issues, but it was a worthwhile watch. And if Throw ever did a V2.0 with improved video and true 5.1? It would be a home run.
Updated Review (2013 HD mkv):
It's a home run!
The 720p mkv is rock solid in quality and the 5.1 sound is now true 5.1. The re-edits to the parking lot and gas station scenes work great. My one minor nitpick was the cutaway from the T-1000 giving Sarah the "no-no-no" finger wag when she runs out of ammo in the end factory scene - it was a bit obvious that something was cut there, and I personally would have just left it intact.
Well done, and thanks for creating this version. I plan on watching it again the next time I have a hankerin' for some T2 spankerin'.
User Review
Do you recommend this edit?
Yes
Format Watched?
Digital
T
(Updated: September 07, 2012)
Overall rating
9.0
Audio/Video Quality
8.0
Audio Editing
10.0
Visual Editing
9.0
Enjoyment
9.0
September 2, 2009 @ 8:19 pm
Let me preface this review by stating that I am huge Arnold Schwarzenegger, James Cameron and Terminator fan. I have seen T2 dozens of times and have owned about 6 releases of the film over the years (currently 3 – ultimate edition dvd/xtreme edition dvd/skynet edition bluray). This does indeed bias my review because many of my comments are tied to my love of the original film and how ‘I would have done it’ had I been the editor. As always, no disrespect is intended. Only a constructive criticism and review.
!!!SPOILER WARNING!!!
First off, we have a DVD9 release, very nice. this allows for a complete release with all the bells and whistles of a commercial DVD. even without popping the disc in I know this is a cut above the normal fanedit DVD.
Upon start up we are greeted with a slick image of an Owl and the words “A ThrowgnCpr Production” with some nice bass groove. This is nice and adds to the production value IMO. Then Bang! we get launched into a really fantastic menu intro clip in near HD quality followed by the interactive menu typed onscreen in terminator-vision. Amongst the options are more features than some commercial releases: play, chapters, bonus features, etc. each with a sleek motion transition to accompany the action. This is without a doubt the best fanedit menu I have seen all year.
The Main feature:
Technical: As mentioned before Throw chose to use the Ultimate Edition DVD as his source which was his only pitfall. The Ultimate edition released back in 2000 looks poor when compared to newer transfers/releases of the film. The image is blurry at times (on my 40″ 1080p HDTV the white intro credits were very soft and showcased lots of color bleed) and looks less good than what we have seen in other transfers. It isnt what I would call unwatchable, but it looks worse than it should (or could) have. There were also instances of judder noticeable when slow camera pans across stationary objects occurred (see: the intro w/ flames on playground equipment and the fence at Pescadero) These observations aside, the picture was clear and stable throughout and was quite watchable.
The Edits:
Many tiny changes have been made and I felt most were for the best. the addition of “Hands of Fate” where we normally see “Judgment Day” in the credits was masterful, my jaw dropped with jealous zeal when I saw it slam up with seamless integration. I dont know how Throw accomplished this but damned if it isnt beautiful.
Custom credits allowed ‘fanedited by TC’ another seamless integration. The new bad to the bone scene makes me smile because other than the first time I saw the original I have always disliked the silliness of the scene. Throw's reconstruction of the scene from the ground up is really something special even if it adds nothing to the narrative besides concealing the t-800′s allegiance this time around. I did feel that the sound effects/dialog needed to be louder here though as they seemed (to my ear) a little low in the mix. but I’ll take it, the score from T1 works wonders here and masterfully calls back to the original terminator film.
Removal of Robo-humor throughout helped the film but I think the editor should have gone further. the ”stand on one leg” scene could do without johns “put your leg down” line and the smile scene is always painful to watch. its sooooo slapstick and fails to work for me every time. I know the point is to show the T-800 is learning but I still hate that horse face smile.
Other instances of audience winking/robohumor removal puzzled me (this is where ‘I would have done it different’ comes in). The “model citizen” line from Silberman seemed to cut too late -I would have cut on Sarahs face, rather than as Silberman begins to turn. The “Trust Me” Arnold line in Cyberdyne (I feel) cuts too late also, as we see John beginning to run to Arnold to stop him from killing humans. I would have cut earlier, but thats just me. I also felt the Kyle Reese dream sequence played funny. I wish I could better articulate my feelings here but i cant, something just felt off.
I only raise these issues to better illustrate my personal bias. I feel it would be unfair to not explain where I am coming from even if personal bias is usually something you dont want in a review, a classic like T2 is impossible to remove bias from the equation. Otherwise the edits are spot on and really benefit the film, I didnt for a second miss the “No Problemos” the “Chillout Dickwads” and the “Hasta La Vista Baby’s” great work!
Custom end credits were very smooth, almost too smooth, and looked very crisp compared to the films intro text. I love the attention to detail by adding yourself in twice (that I caught) as well as the fanedit.org and ThrowgnCpr Produtions logos. Very well done. I was caught off guard when I saw my handle in the credits. I dont know what I did to deserve that honor, but I thank you all the same as it was a very pleasant surprise.
The Bonus Features:
Wow, for a fanedit, there's a truckload of material here the featurette focusing on the sound reconstruction of the bad to the bone sequence is the crown jewel. its informative and interesting, well narrated and a great example of how fanediting can be used to alter/enhance a scene. Even though its a few minutes long IMO this is right up there with the commentary track on Attack of the Phantom. Required viewing for any aspiring editor.
Easter Eggs:
Great stuff from SNL/30 Second Bunnies/GNR I havent seen the ‘Toonces’ skit or the ‘You Could Be Mine’ video in YEARS and never saw the ’30 Second Bunnies’ before. Nothing remarkable about this material other than its inclusion to round out a full package.
Overall this is a great package for Fanedit fans as well as Terminator fans. We get a great edit of a classic film and pile of features not previously released on the plethora of Terminator DVD’s over the years.
Editing: 9 of 10 As I mentioned there were no technical issues in the editing only things I would have done differently
Entertainment: 9 of 10
Image & Video Quality:
Image quality was less than optimal. The source material wasnt the best choice but it was still enjoyable and not too distracting. some minor judder in certain camera pans.
Video Quality: 7 of 10
Audio Editing & Audio Quality:
Seamless, great editing from start to finish. my only quip is the levels on the reconstructed scene seem slightly low.
Audio Quality: 9 of 10
Audio Editing: 10 of 10
Presentation:
Best DVD authoring I have seen all year. Fantastic menu w/ full transitions. A truckload of extras and smooth near HD quality motion menus.
Presentation: 10 of 10
Final Result: 8 of 10 for me
A few minor issues hold this back from being a perfect edit but most are technical in nature and do not reflect on the editing and enjoyment of the film. This is a fantastic take on a classic and provides yet another option for us folks who have seen this film in 3 different versions (more if we count ADM/Tubes/Scaperat’s edits ;) ) Required viewing for T2 fans.
Let me preface this review by stating that I am huge Arnold Schwarzenegger, James Cameron and Terminator fan. I have seen T2 dozens of times and have owned about 6 releases of the film over the years (currently 3 – ultimate edition dvd/xtreme edition dvd/skynet edition bluray). This does indeed bias my review because many of my comments are tied to my love of the original film and how ‘I would have done it’ had I been the editor. As always, no disrespect is intended. Only a constructive criticism and review.
!!!SPOILER WARNING!!!
First off, we have a DVD9 release, very nice. this allows for a complete release with all the bells and whistles of a commercial DVD. even without popping the disc in I know this is a cut above the normal fanedit DVD.
Upon start up we are greeted with a slick image of an Owl and the words “A ThrowgnCpr Production” with some nice bass groove. This is nice and adds to the production value IMO. Then Bang! we get launched into a really fantastic menu intro clip in near HD quality followed by the interactive menu typed onscreen in terminator-vision. Amongst the options are more features than some commercial releases: play, chapters, bonus features, etc. each with a sleek motion transition to accompany the action. This is without a doubt the best fanedit menu I have seen all year.
The Main feature:
Technical: As mentioned before Throw chose to use the Ultimate Edition DVD as his source which was his only pitfall. The Ultimate edition released back in 2000 looks poor when compared to newer transfers/releases of the film. The image is blurry at times (on my 40″ 1080p HDTV the white intro credits were very soft and showcased lots of color bleed) and looks less good than what we have seen in other transfers. It isnt what I would call unwatchable, but it looks worse than it should (or could) have. There were also instances of judder noticeable when slow camera pans across stationary objects occurred (see: the intro w/ flames on playground equipment and the fence at Pescadero) These observations aside, the picture was clear and stable throughout and was quite watchable.
The Edits:
Many tiny changes have been made and I felt most were for the best. the addition of “Hands of Fate” where we normally see “Judgment Day” in the credits was masterful, my jaw dropped with jealous zeal when I saw it slam up with seamless integration. I dont know how Throw accomplished this but damned if it isnt beautiful.
Custom credits allowed ‘fanedited by TC’ another seamless integration. The new bad to the bone scene makes me smile because other than the first time I saw the original I have always disliked the silliness of the scene. Throw's reconstruction of the scene from the ground up is really something special even if it adds nothing to the narrative besides concealing the t-800′s allegiance this time around. I did feel that the sound effects/dialog needed to be louder here though as they seemed (to my ear) a little low in the mix. but I’ll take it, the score from T1 works wonders here and masterfully calls back to the original terminator film.
Removal of Robo-humor throughout helped the film but I think the editor should have gone further. the ”stand on one leg” scene could do without johns “put your leg down” line and the smile scene is always painful to watch. its sooooo slapstick and fails to work for me every time. I know the point is to show the T-800 is learning but I still hate that horse face smile.
Other instances of audience winking/robohumor removal puzzled me (this is where ‘I would have done it different’ comes in). The “model citizen” line from Silberman seemed to cut too late -I would have cut on Sarahs face, rather than as Silberman begins to turn. The “Trust Me” Arnold line in Cyberdyne (I feel) cuts too late also, as we see John beginning to run to Arnold to stop him from killing humans. I would have cut earlier, but thats just me. I also felt the Kyle Reese dream sequence played funny. I wish I could better articulate my feelings here but i cant, something just felt off.
I only raise these issues to better illustrate my personal bias. I feel it would be unfair to not explain where I am coming from even if personal bias is usually something you dont want in a review, a classic like T2 is impossible to remove bias from the equation. Otherwise the edits are spot on and really benefit the film, I didnt for a second miss the “No Problemos” the “Chillout Dickwads” and the “Hasta La Vista Baby’s” great work!
Custom end credits were very smooth, almost too smooth, and looked very crisp compared to the films intro text. I love the attention to detail by adding yourself in twice (that I caught) as well as the fanedit.org and ThrowgnCpr Produtions logos. Very well done. I was caught off guard when I saw my handle in the credits. I dont know what I did to deserve that honor, but I thank you all the same as it was a very pleasant surprise.
The Bonus Features:
Wow, for a fanedit, there's a truckload of material here the featurette focusing on the sound reconstruction of the bad to the bone sequence is the crown jewel. its informative and interesting, well narrated and a great example of how fanediting can be used to alter/enhance a scene. Even though its a few minutes long IMO this is right up there with the commentary track on Attack of the Phantom. Required viewing for any aspiring editor.
Easter Eggs:
Great stuff from SNL/30 Second Bunnies/GNR I havent seen the ‘Toonces’ skit or the ‘You Could Be Mine’ video in YEARS and never saw the ’30 Second Bunnies’ before. Nothing remarkable about this material other than its inclusion to round out a full package.
Overall this is a great package for Fanedit fans as well as Terminator fans. We get a great edit of a classic film and pile of features not previously released on the plethora of Terminator DVD’s over the years.
Editing: 9 of 10 As I mentioned there were no technical issues in the editing only things I would have done differently
Entertainment: 9 of 10
Image & Video Quality:
Image quality was less than optimal. The source material wasnt the best choice but it was still enjoyable and not too distracting. some minor judder in certain camera pans.
Video Quality: 7 of 10
Audio Editing & Audio Quality:
Seamless, great editing from start to finish. my only quip is the levels on the reconstructed scene seem slightly low.
Audio Quality: 9 of 10
Audio Editing: 10 of 10
Presentation:
Best DVD authoring I have seen all year. Fantastic menu w/ full transitions. A truckload of extras and smooth near HD quality motion menus.
Presentation: 10 of 10
Final Result: 8 of 10 for me
A few minor issues hold this back from being a perfect edit but most are technical in nature and do not reflect on the editing and enjoyment of the film. This is a fantastic take on a classic and provides yet another option for us folks who have seen this film in 3 different versions (more if we count ADM/Tubes/Scaperat’s edits ;) ) Required viewing for T2 fans.
E
Overall rating
9.0
Audio/Video Quality
9.0
Audio Editing
9.0
Visual Editing
9.0
Narrative
9.0
Enjoyment
9.0
This is an excellent fan-fix. From the excellent integration of the new titles, to the overall tone created by the editor, this is what a fan-edit is all about.
As the editor points out, T2 is a classic, but that doesn't mean a nip/tuck can't provide some genuine improvements. Highlights include cutting of lots of cheese, especially bad to the bone and thumbs up, and including some scenes from the extended edition was a nice touch.
Not so highlights: Some of the cuts were quite noticeable, especially the 'I need a vacation' line, and a couple of others, but it didn't really matter too much. If the line annoyed you that much, have it out I say.
Well done on a great edit, and thanks for releasing in HD!
As the editor points out, T2 is a classic, but that doesn't mean a nip/tuck can't provide some genuine improvements. Highlights include cutting of lots of cheese, especially bad to the bone and thumbs up, and including some scenes from the extended edition was a nice touch.
Not so highlights: Some of the cuts were quite noticeable, especially the 'I need a vacation' line, and a couple of others, but it didn't really matter too much. If the line annoyed you that much, have it out I say.
Well done on a great edit, and thanks for releasing in HD!
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Format Watched?
AVCHD
N