Superman Part II
Additional Material from 'Superman II - Theatrical' PAL DVD
Phineasbg: For creating the Christopher Reeve dedication card as seen at the start of this film.
Red Krypton Son: For his recreated footage of the villains war on Krypton as seen when Lex and Eve explore the Fortress crystals and for two portions of audio used to add menace to the villains.
Tomahawk: For much valued support and feedback.
Neglify: For all his helpful advice and designing the cover art.
Whilst significantly shorter then the theatrical or Donner cut the main reduction in run-time is attributed to a much simplified pre-credits recap where by I've cut the trial of the three villains. Whilst a great scene, it belongs in the original movie and simply isn't needed here. Donner regularly talked up the advantage of part II being that one could simply start with a bang since we already knew these characters. However his cut is bogged down with some eleven minutes of recap and credits prior to the actual film starting. Furthermore when Lex and Eve visit the fortress, Jor-El goes into equal detail about the three villains and their sentencing.
STM=Superman the Movie, DC=Donner Cut, LC=Lester Cut (theatrical)
- STM: WB logo
- New Christopher Reeve dedication card to match STM style, created by Phineasbg.
- DC: Cut trial of the villains re-cap and open the film with missile launch and Superman chasing rockets.
- DC/LC: Release of the villains. Cut out the really bad CGI and used LC shots where possible. Inserted two shots created by Booshman which paint out the fake looking planets. Removed Zod’s line "Free" and inserted green crystal shot from the LC to transition into the credits.
- DC: For credit sequence Reeve receives top billing followed by Hackman, then Brando.
- STM: DC ‘S’ logo has been replaced with the STM ‘S’ logo.
- DC: Re-scored the Daily Planet jump with Ken Thorne cue. Sound effects are recreated and the audio has been replaced for Lois screaming and the poorly dubbed Reeve with authentic takes.
- DC: Lex in prison.
- DC/LC: Villains on the moon. Ken Thorne cue used for the first half of the moon sequence. DC picture but added shot from the LC of Ursa landing in front of the astronaut rather then just sidling onto screen.
- DC: Sound effect added when Zod kicks the astronaut on the moon.
- DC: End dialogue between those guys in the control room has been trimmed.
- DC: Lex escapes.
- DC/LC: Niagara Falls exteriors. Cut Lois and Clark entering honeymoon haven. Superman rescues boy, corny dialogue removed.
- LC: Added Superman landing behind the stall followed by his explanation with Lois.
- DC/LC: Dialogue extended as Lex and Eve head north, "Ice and snow is this your idea of a good time".
- DC/LC: Lex and Eve enter the Fortress. Editing is very similar to the theatrical cut. No bickering outside the Fortress or stumbling around. Better dialogue with Eve mimicking Lex is included from the LC. Ken Thorne cue is used right up until Lex inserts the first crystal.
- DC/LC: Replaced Lex and Eve’s dialogue relating to the trees poem with the superior takes from the LC.
- New scene of villains making havoc on Krypton, scene was created by Red Krypton Son.
- LC: "No possibility for parole" is put back in.
- DC: John Williams cue added as Lex thinks out loud with toilet flush removed.
- DC: Villains landing and Ursa and the snake scenes have been joined.
- DC: Blank bullets scene.
- DC/LC: Encounter with the Sheriff features additional LC footage and Red Krypton Son audio with "holy skunk sweat" dialogue removed.
- DC: Lovers fly north.
- LC: Villains encounter with the people of East Idaho features Red Krypton Son audio playing over the first half of the scene. Cut away from "These humans are beginning to bore me" to Superman shows Lois around the Fortress, minus the green crystal being left on the floor.
- DC/LC: Television crew show up. Extended with additional LC footage.
- DC: Cut from "Where’s Superman, and why doesn’t he do something" to Superman and Lois having dinner.
- DC: Non catching rocket, then cut from "Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me" to DC Superman and Lois in bed.
- DC: Zod speech with LC audio and Ken Thorne cue.
- DC: Fall of the Washington monument.
- DC: De-powering scene with Reeve’s delivery of the line "I love her" replaced with the LC take. Also added Ken Thorne cue to make the scene a bit more emotional.
- LC: Villains fly over the Whitehouse.
- DC/LC: Villains enter the Whitehouse. Used the LC take of Ursa kicking the guy on the floor. Ken Thorne cue used when villains enter the oval office with the "ribbons and jewellery" dialogue cut.
- DC/LC: Diner scene fades into LC Clark’s trek to the Fortress.
- LC/DC: Re-powering. First half of the scene is LC, minus the reference to mother, then it switches to DC when Clark finds the crystal. Green hue is kept for the entirety of the scene. Trimmed the end part of the scene to remove unnecessary Reeve shaking.
- DC: Lex at the Whitehouse. Opens with Ursa playing with the revolving planets gizmo, thus Non's confused reaction with his toy is scraped. Ken Thorne cue plays over the first half of the scene.
- DC: Back at the Daily Planet.
- DC: Daily Planet invasion with Ken Thorne cue added.
- LC: Lex's door knob line is put back in.
- LC: "Yeah you could do with a tuck in their yourself sister" to replace inferior DC take.
- DC/LC: Tried to use LC Zod dialogue wherever possible.
- DC: Lex’s end dialogue, "You ought to have that thing fixed" is removed.
- DC/LC: Superman returns uses mostly DC footage but features Ken Thorne cue and "would you care to step outside".
- DC: "I’m not a coward Zod" audio has been fixed.
- DC/LC: Freezing the tanker with Ken Thorne cue. A few shots from the LC were needed to keep the audio in sync.
- LC: Included lady on the ground "Superman help us".
- DC/LC: Battle with Zod on the car with Ken Thorne cue added.
- DC/LC: Villains return to the Daily Planet. Mostly DC but with LC audio due to the superior Zod and Lex takes. The scene plays more like the theatrical cut which employs much tighter editing.
- DC/LC: To the Fortress. Cut the dialogue between Zod and Lex "I trust you are not wasting my time…".
- DC/LC: Like the Daily Planet scenes most of Zod and Lex’s dialogue is replaced with the superior LC takes. As a result the fortress scene is edited more like the theatrical cut which again employs much tighter editing.
- DC/LC: Superman defeats Zod with LC audio and Ken Thorne cue.
- DC: Cut Superman destroying the Fortress.
- DC: Break-up scene/Dropping Lois back home.
- DC: Back at the daily Planet (go get the pizza) scene. Re-edited to suggest Lois knows Clark's secrete but will continue to play out charade.
- DC: Return to the diner with LC audio and Ken Thorne cue.
- LC: Superman returns flag using Booshman's restored shot with the fountains moving.
- LC Fly over, DC fly bye
- DC: End titles with Ken Thorne cue.
I really like how this plays off the first one better than a lot of versions of II does. It's also a good move I've seen rarely, leaving the secret known. A brave choice and a less clumsy way to deal with the problem of how Lois was to forget. I have no complaints, and was very happy I got to see it.
I loved it. A wonderful job by Ollie, who's created a version of SMII I can enjoy instead of watching and thinking "If only they hadn't fired Donner, what could have been..."
I think Ollie's done a great job in selecting which scenes to use in from the wealth of material available. The blank bullets scene may be my favorite of those first two films (continuity issues aside).
Ideally, this film would include the trial scene - IF that scene hadn't already appeared in the first one. Because it did, I completely agree in cutting it. I do have some quibbles. I thought some of Lex and his minion's humor could have been toned down a little (maybe cut out the search for the bathroom in the Fortress entirely). I also thought the battle of Metropolis could be trimmed a bit more (for pacing reasons and to reduce the product placement). My two other small quibbles is that I think the scenes jumped back and forth between Zod/Ursa/Non's attack and the Superman/Lois at the Fortress maybe bit too much, and while I love the dedication in the beginning, it sounded *slightly* wordy to me - maybe "He made us believe a man could fly" would be enough.
But again, those are quibbles. I'm rating this a ten out of ten in every category. This is a high quality edit with amazing pacing and seamless cuts. It opens with a punch, and really holds your attention until the very end. With the more distracting elements of the Lester cut gone and with vastly improved editing in comparison to the Donner cut, this film allows the audience to truly engage with the movie and Clark's struggle. I would be remiss if I did not also give some high praise to the new ending, courtesy of booshman, who's own SMII Redux edit I'll soon be watching.
All right, for starters: sorry for having let so much time pass by. Now, I was really trying to look after a version of "Superman II" that could be the right version, not aversion which was good but felt incomplete, or a version finished by another director and furthermore absolutely ignored the feel of completeness that was due, since Richard Donner had planned the second one not as a 'sequel' to the first one, rather the second episode, "Part II", which would have completed his storyline. This was an incredibly well done edit, and really did give a lot of what was needed. I was never a big fan of Superman, but was always willing to sit through the first two films as Richard Donner had intended them. But then "The Richard Donner Cut" made me wish "Superman: The Movie" didn't have the same ending as its sequel. Then, your cut. This really solved many, many of the problems I originally had with both the original cuts, let alone the blank bullets scene, which I would have probably edited differently, to cut out Clark's changing hair, but I don't even know if it would have been possible. The cuts were always seamless, and the film was satisfying. Continue with this!! Go on! And I loved the fact that the ending wasn't recycled!! Congratulations!!!
Wonderful. Ollie's edit felt very organic and flowed a hell of a lot better than Thau's edit or the let's-invent-thirty-new-superpowers original edit that I grew up on. The streamlining aspects of the piece and the inclusion of some of the best bits of Thau's at-times abysmal reworking along with some of the Lester pieces definitely felt natural. And that was the key. Nothing felt...jarring. Rather, it was quite smooth in transition and execution. My gripes are few, if any, and have ZERO to do with the implementation of such scenes. Instead, my gripes are with the original source material. They revolve around the blank bullets scene, which has always stuck out like a sore thumb to me and which I've never liked (even the acting and dialogue felt forced...as a screen test likely should). The other is in some of the fight-scene FX in Metropolis. Primarily the usage of the Statue of Liberty (which I also thought looked much less realistic than it's counterpart flight-and-kick sequence from Lester's cut).
Other than that, any flaws inherent to the source were Thau's fault (herky-jerk music editing in a couple of portions to support use of Williams' original music) or the issue of having to use as much Donner footage as possible. But this was leaps and bounds better than either released version.
The thing I lament the most is that some of the old Superman Cinema regulars (hell...even me) weren't invited to help save Thau from himself when he cut the thing together. Otherwise, if I could get this in Blu-Ray with lossless audio, I'd have it replace the versions in my Motion Picture Anthology in a heartbeat.
Kudos to you, Ollie. Nice work. :)
Superman 2 was the film that got me into fan editing. It was the first film I did. As a HUGE fan of the first 2 Reeve films, I had made it my personal quest to see every fan edit of Superman 2, and see where the "best" edit ideas lie. Ollie's edit here takes quite a lot of what I feel is "the best choices". Out of the 15 or 20 edits of S2 that I've seen, Ollie's is definitely in my top 5 (including my own personal fan edit of the film).
I don't agree with every choice he's made, but after 8 years since the release of the abysmal "Donner Cut", without any word from Selutron, or any further release to right the wrongs, I'll take ANY edit that is vastly superior to either of the official releases sold in stores, regardless if I prefer "this" version of a scene than "that" one.
Audio/Video quality: Well, it's DVD instead of Blu, but in all honesty just fixing the color timing to the theatrical blu of S2 is a project in and of itself lol. A/V is fine for DVD.
Editing-wise this edit is spectacular. There's a few hiccups sure, but they can always be quickly and easily corrected down the line if Ollie chooses to do so.
Narrative: Again, I have my own choices that I prefer over Ollie, but he more than makes up for it by using "Lois knows" ending. That's EXACTLY how I made it in my edit when I made it 6-7 years ago. Just a little restructuring of the "pizza" scene, and BAM, perfect narrative structure.
One thing I didn't think I would like is the runtime. at 103 minutes, it's one of the shortest edit of S2 made. I thought it would be too rushed (like the way the Donner Cut did), but thankfully Ollie chose the right takes, scenes, and edits that gives the story and characters room to breathe. Whereas the Donner Cut just felt like a rush to get it over with, Ollie makes the short run time "fit" just right. And this coming from someone who's preferred version has always been the KCOP cut, which has the longest runtime at 145 minutes (Nearly 45 minutes longer). So for me to enjoy a really short edit of the film says a lot.
Enjoyment: I loved this edit mostly because, now that the fan editing community has had some time to "take in" the entire Superman 2 fiasco regarding different directors, different scenes, different music...etc now we have a fan edit that comes out years since the last one, and now that we've all had some time to really think things over, it really seems like, to me, we all want the same thing. And by that I mean, we're all beginning to agree with what "works best" for the film. So a lot of us are all kinda just trading off ideas and using them in each others edits.
My edit may no longer be available online, but thanks to this edit, I'm just happy that people will see what I believe is the best ending to the film. No amnesia kiss, no re-hashing the turning back time ending. Lois is fine with knowing his secret. Sure, I would've let the villains live, but those deleted scenes need to be cleaned up first.