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Superman II : The Complete Cut
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Original Movie Title:
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Original Release Date:
2006
Original Running Time:
111
Fanedit Release Date:
Fanedit Running Time:
122
Time Added:
11
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Brief Synopsis:
This is a Donner biased version of Superman II that is complete. There is far less compromises with this version so for those who loved the Donner material this cut is for you.
Intention:
To re-edit the official release so to making a Richard Donner Superman II that is complete.
Special Thanks:
There are three people who I must thank for making this edit possible.
Red Krypton Son; Who gave his blessing for me to use some of his material from the RKS cut, including two re-composited scenes and two audio elements. These being;
- New scene with Lex and Jor-El which shows Zod and co making havoc on Krypton.
- Moving fountains when Superman returns the flag to the Whitehouse.
- Sound element during Villains confrontation which the sheriff.
- Sound element during the first half of the Villain’s entering East Idaho.
Verisimilitude; For his guidance in matching LC footage with DC footage.
Booshman; For some really helpful advice on audio editing.
Red Krypton Son; Who gave his blessing for me to use some of his material from the RKS cut, including two re-composited scenes and two audio elements. These being;
- New scene with Lex and Jor-El which shows Zod and co making havoc on Krypton.
- Moving fountains when Superman returns the flag to the Whitehouse.
- Sound element during Villains confrontation which the sheriff.
- Sound element during the first half of the Villain’s entering East Idaho.
Verisimilitude; For his guidance in matching LC footage with DC footage.
Booshman; For some really helpful advice on audio editing.
Release Information:
DVD
Cuts and Additions:
- WB logo
- DC; Reeve credit is met with silence.
- DC; Same music cue opens the picture but this is played over traveling space footage from the LC followed by a dissolve into Thau’s opening Krypton shot.
- DC; Thau’s entire recap is retained, but I’ve replaced Thau’s flipped shot of Krypton exploding with that from STM.
- DC; For credit sequence, Reeve receives top billing followed by Gene, then Brando.
- DC; ‘S’ logo has been replaced with the STM ‘S’ logo.
- DC; Daily Planet/Lex in Prison/Villains on the Moon
- DC; Sound FX is added when Zod kicks the astronaut on the moon.
- DC; End dialog between those guys in the control room has been trimmed.
- DC; Lex escapes/Niagara Falls exteriors
- LC; Hotel tour of the room scene is put back in.
- DC; Dialog extended as Lex and Eve head north to include “Ice and snow is this your idea of a good time”.
- RKS; Inserted scene of villains making havoc on Krypton.
- LC; "No possibility for parol" is put back in.
- LC; Included a shot of Eve walking away.
- DC; Music cue added as Lex thinks out loud with toilet flush removed.
- DC; Rescuing boy at Niagara Falls with dialog “oh course he’s Jewish” removed.
- LC; Superman landing behind the stall followed by his explanation with Lois.
- DC; Villains landing & Ursa and the snake scenes have been joined.
- DC; Blank Bullets scene
- DC; Encounter with the Sheriff features additional LC footage and RKS audio with “holy skunk sweat” dialog removed.
- DC; lovers fly north
- LC; Villains encounter with the people of East Idaho features RKS audio playing over the first half of the scene. Cut away from “these human are beginning to bore me” to Supes shows Lois around the fortress, minus crystal being left on the floor.
- DC; Television crew show up features some additional LC footage.
- DC; Cut from “Where’s Superman, and why doesn’t he do something” to LC Supes and Lois having dinner.
- DC; Non catching rocket, then cut from “Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me” to DC Supes and Lois in bed.
- DC; Zod speech which LC audio.
- DC; Fall of Washington monument/Depowering scene
- LC; Villains fly over the Whitehouse.
- DC; Villains in the Whitehouse
- DC; Diner scene fades into Clark’s trek to the fortress.
- DC; Replaced Reeve’s delivery of “father” with that from the LC.
- DC; For Lex at the Whitehouse, I opened with Ursa playing with the revolving planets gizmo, thus Non’s confused reaction with his toy is scraped.
- DC; Back at the Daily planet
- DC; Music added to the Daily Planet invasion.
- LC; Door knob line put back in.
- DC; Lex’s end dialog, “You ought to have that thing fixed” is removed.
- Supes return uses mostly DC footage but features Thorne music and “would you care to step outside”.
- DC; “I’m not a coward” audio has been fixed.
- DC; Freezing the tanker with LC audio. A few shots from the LC were needed to keep the audio in sync.
- LC; Included lady on the ground “Superman help us”
- DC; Battle with Zod on the car uses LC audio.
- DC; To the Fortress
- DC; Superman defeats Zod with LC audio. Again a little bit of LC footage was needed to keep the audio in sync.
- Artic patrol scene minus “Smallville strongboy”.
- Artic patrol minus “Blast off”
- DC; Destroy fortress/Break-up scene/Dropping Lois back home
- LC; Memory kiss back in but ends with a dissolve from a dizzy Lois to a sun setting shot (from Superman IV), to a day shot of Metropolis.
- DC: Back at the daily Planet (go get the Pizza) scene.
- Clark and Jimmy by the elevator.
- DC; Return to the Diner with LC audio.
- LC; Supes returns flag using RKS’s restored shot of the fountains moving.
- LC Fly over, DC fly bye
- DC; End titles with Thorne score.
- DC; Reeve credit is met with silence.
- DC; Same music cue opens the picture but this is played over traveling space footage from the LC followed by a dissolve into Thau’s opening Krypton shot.
- DC; Thau’s entire recap is retained, but I’ve replaced Thau’s flipped shot of Krypton exploding with that from STM.
- DC; For credit sequence, Reeve receives top billing followed by Gene, then Brando.
- DC; ‘S’ logo has been replaced with the STM ‘S’ logo.
- DC; Daily Planet/Lex in Prison/Villains on the Moon
- DC; Sound FX is added when Zod kicks the astronaut on the moon.
- DC; End dialog between those guys in the control room has been trimmed.
- DC; Lex escapes/Niagara Falls exteriors
- LC; Hotel tour of the room scene is put back in.
- DC; Dialog extended as Lex and Eve head north to include “Ice and snow is this your idea of a good time”.
- RKS; Inserted scene of villains making havoc on Krypton.
- LC; "No possibility for parol" is put back in.
- LC; Included a shot of Eve walking away.
- DC; Music cue added as Lex thinks out loud with toilet flush removed.
- DC; Rescuing boy at Niagara Falls with dialog “oh course he’s Jewish” removed.
- LC; Superman landing behind the stall followed by his explanation with Lois.
- DC; Villains landing & Ursa and the snake scenes have been joined.
- DC; Blank Bullets scene
- DC; Encounter with the Sheriff features additional LC footage and RKS audio with “holy skunk sweat” dialog removed.
- DC; lovers fly north
- LC; Villains encounter with the people of East Idaho features RKS audio playing over the first half of the scene. Cut away from “these human are beginning to bore me” to Supes shows Lois around the fortress, minus crystal being left on the floor.
- DC; Television crew show up features some additional LC footage.
- DC; Cut from “Where’s Superman, and why doesn’t he do something” to LC Supes and Lois having dinner.
- DC; Non catching rocket, then cut from “Is there no one on this planet to even challenge me” to DC Supes and Lois in bed.
- DC; Zod speech which LC audio.
- DC; Fall of Washington monument/Depowering scene
- LC; Villains fly over the Whitehouse.
- DC; Villains in the Whitehouse
- DC; Diner scene fades into Clark’s trek to the fortress.
- DC; Replaced Reeve’s delivery of “father” with that from the LC.
- DC; For Lex at the Whitehouse, I opened with Ursa playing with the revolving planets gizmo, thus Non’s confused reaction with his toy is scraped.
- DC; Back at the Daily planet
- DC; Music added to the Daily Planet invasion.
- LC; Door knob line put back in.
- DC; Lex’s end dialog, “You ought to have that thing fixed” is removed.
- Supes return uses mostly DC footage but features Thorne music and “would you care to step outside”.
- DC; “I’m not a coward” audio has been fixed.
- DC; Freezing the tanker with LC audio. A few shots from the LC were needed to keep the audio in sync.
- LC; Included lady on the ground “Superman help us”
- DC; Battle with Zod on the car uses LC audio.
- DC; To the Fortress
- DC; Superman defeats Zod with LC audio. Again a little bit of LC footage was needed to keep the audio in sync.
- Artic patrol scene minus “Smallville strongboy”.
- Artic patrol minus “Blast off”
- DC; Destroy fortress/Break-up scene/Dropping Lois back home
- LC; Memory kiss back in but ends with a dissolve from a dizzy Lois to a sun setting shot (from Superman IV), to a day shot of Metropolis.
- DC: Back at the daily Planet (go get the Pizza) scene.
- Clark and Jimmy by the elevator.
- DC; Return to the Diner with LC audio.
- LC; Supes returns flag using RKS’s restored shot of the fountains moving.
- LC Fly over, DC fly bye
- DC; End titles with Thorne score.
User reviews
5 reviews
Overall rating
7.7
Audio/Video Quality
7.5(2)
Visual Editing
10.0(1)
Narrative
5.0(1)
Enjoyment
8.2(5)
(Updated: September 11, 2012)
Overall rating
9.0
Audio/Video Quality
8.0
Visual Editing
10.0
Enjoyment
9.0
Review by Molasar — June 28, 2009 @ 10:40 pm
FanEdit Review by Molasar - REVISIONS ALL CAPS
Title/FanEditor: Superman II: The Complete Cut "Version 2.0" by Wearneo
Prologue: Superman II was my favorite sequel as a kid. Great poster, too. As I matured, I grew fonder of the first film. Richard Lester's Superman II was too hokey for me as an adult. It was too light. (Superman Lite?) Anyway, I was very excited to see Richard Donner's version when it premiered on DVD. It treated the characters and their story with much more respect, it was more serious, if that's the right word. Zod and his minions are more ruthless and evil. But, I felt that reusing the "make the world spin backwards and reverse time" ending was lazy. (I don't care if it was the original intention.) With all the new extra footage available, I knew that fans would attempt to combine both versions, especially fans like me who really liked Richard Lester's Superman II growing up. This is the second Superman II fanedit I have seen. Based mostly on Donner's cut, it bills itself as the complete cut. Is it? Read on.
The Edit: Overall, I would say that this fanedit is a complete cut. It includes Donner's version (warts and all) plus the "step outside" line replacing the "freedom of the press" line, the "US Arctic Patrol" deleted scene (poor quality), the "amnesia kiss" scene, the "elevator bully" deleted scene, and it removes the recycled reverse time ending from Superman: The Movie. It retains the serious nature of the Donner cut and even extends the emotional punch of Clark and Lois's relationship by using Lester's ending. The cuts were seamless and well timed. I saw or heard no off musical cues or jumps anywhere. An excellent job as far as cutting. *****/***** ("Warts" meaning the use of screen test footage, stand-ins and ADR.) STILL A FANTASTIC EDIT!
Image Quality: This fanedit was a PAL-sourced edit. It was converted to NTSC on the DVD I screened. The image was a bit soft and jittered during panning shots at the beginning. Colors were a bit washed out. So, good but not great. ***/***** USING MY ALL-REGION OPPO, THE IMAGE IS NOTICEABLY SHARPER IN THIS NEW INCARNATION AND THERE IS LESS JITTER DURING THE PANS. A GREAT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS STUNNING CUT. NEW RATING: ****/*****
Audio Quality: The sound was a weak MPEG audio decoded into Dolby Pro-Logic II. The volume was barely audible on my preferred listening level (which my wife would tell you is too loud). I had to switch from RAW to PCM for an increase in volume and I had to turn it up several notches. Despite my efforts, there was little panning across the surrounds and no punch on the LFE end. Overall, lackluster and un-cinematic in the extreme. **/***** THE SOUND (ALTHOUGH A 2.0 MPEG MIX) HAS A BIT MORE PUNCH ON THIS SECOND ATTEMPT AND IT’S LOUDER. SEE THE DESCRIPTION ABOVE FOR MORE INFO. IT’S AS GOOD AS A 2.0 CAN GET. IN A WORD (OR TWO) — MUCH IMPROVED. NEW RATING: ***.5/*****
The DVD: Static menu with 18 full motion chapter stops.
Overall Rating: ***.5/***** (not an average) I approve of this cut, given its A/V quality limitations. I'm a stickler for A/V and perhaps I'm too harsh. The edit is so great that I believe it should be seen by others. IMPROVEMENTS IN A/V QUALITY ARE APPARENT AND APPRECIATED BY THIS SUPERFAN. NEW RATING: ****.5/*****
Epilogue: This version will not replace my Donner DVD yet. Better A/V quality could move this fanedit into rotation whenever I spin the Supes series. Wearneo wanted “to stay true to Donner’s vision. Meaning this is not an Ultimate cut of SII, but a more complete and workable Donner version.” Mission accomplished. MY NEW FAVORITE VERSION TO SPIN!
Reviewed using Sony 51" 16×9 RPTV with Oppo DVD player upconverting to 1080i via DVI and Onkyo 650 Watt 5.1 surround sound.
FanEdit Review by Molasar - REVISIONS ALL CAPS
Title/FanEditor: Superman II: The Complete Cut "Version 2.0" by Wearneo
Prologue: Superman II was my favorite sequel as a kid. Great poster, too. As I matured, I grew fonder of the first film. Richard Lester's Superman II was too hokey for me as an adult. It was too light. (Superman Lite?) Anyway, I was very excited to see Richard Donner's version when it premiered on DVD. It treated the characters and their story with much more respect, it was more serious, if that's the right word. Zod and his minions are more ruthless and evil. But, I felt that reusing the "make the world spin backwards and reverse time" ending was lazy. (I don't care if it was the original intention.) With all the new extra footage available, I knew that fans would attempt to combine both versions, especially fans like me who really liked Richard Lester's Superman II growing up. This is the second Superman II fanedit I have seen. Based mostly on Donner's cut, it bills itself as the complete cut. Is it? Read on.
The Edit: Overall, I would say that this fanedit is a complete cut. It includes Donner's version (warts and all) plus the "step outside" line replacing the "freedom of the press" line, the "US Arctic Patrol" deleted scene (poor quality), the "amnesia kiss" scene, the "elevator bully" deleted scene, and it removes the recycled reverse time ending from Superman: The Movie. It retains the serious nature of the Donner cut and even extends the emotional punch of Clark and Lois's relationship by using Lester's ending. The cuts were seamless and well timed. I saw or heard no off musical cues or jumps anywhere. An excellent job as far as cutting. *****/***** ("Warts" meaning the use of screen test footage, stand-ins and ADR.) STILL A FANTASTIC EDIT!
Image Quality: This fanedit was a PAL-sourced edit. It was converted to NTSC on the DVD I screened. The image was a bit soft and jittered during panning shots at the beginning. Colors were a bit washed out. So, good but not great. ***/***** USING MY ALL-REGION OPPO, THE IMAGE IS NOTICEABLY SHARPER IN THIS NEW INCARNATION AND THERE IS LESS JITTER DURING THE PANS. A GREAT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS STUNNING CUT. NEW RATING: ****/*****
Audio Quality: The sound was a weak MPEG audio decoded into Dolby Pro-Logic II. The volume was barely audible on my preferred listening level (which my wife would tell you is too loud). I had to switch from RAW to PCM for an increase in volume and I had to turn it up several notches. Despite my efforts, there was little panning across the surrounds and no punch on the LFE end. Overall, lackluster and un-cinematic in the extreme. **/***** THE SOUND (ALTHOUGH A 2.0 MPEG MIX) HAS A BIT MORE PUNCH ON THIS SECOND ATTEMPT AND IT’S LOUDER. SEE THE DESCRIPTION ABOVE FOR MORE INFO. IT’S AS GOOD AS A 2.0 CAN GET. IN A WORD (OR TWO) — MUCH IMPROVED. NEW RATING: ***.5/*****
The DVD: Static menu with 18 full motion chapter stops.
Overall Rating: ***.5/***** (not an average) I approve of this cut, given its A/V quality limitations. I'm a stickler for A/V and perhaps I'm too harsh. The edit is so great that I believe it should be seen by others. IMPROVEMENTS IN A/V QUALITY ARE APPARENT AND APPRECIATED BY THIS SUPERFAN. NEW RATING: ****.5/*****
Epilogue: This version will not replace my Donner DVD yet. Better A/V quality could move this fanedit into rotation whenever I spin the Supes series. Wearneo wanted “to stay true to Donner’s vision. Meaning this is not an Ultimate cut of SII, but a more complete and workable Donner version.” Mission accomplished. MY NEW FAVORITE VERSION TO SPIN!
Reviewed using Sony 51" 16×9 RPTV with Oppo DVD player upconverting to 1080i via DVI and Onkyo 650 Watt 5.1 surround sound.
M
(Updated: September 11, 2012)
Enjoyment
10.0
Review by Xtroid — April 18, 2009 @ 5:53 am
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
X
(Updated: September 11, 2012)
Enjoyment
10.0
Review by searcher — June 21, 2009 @ 12:08 pm
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
S
(Updated: September 11, 2012)
Overall rating
6.0
Audio/Video Quality
7.0
Narrative
5.0
Enjoyment
6.0
Review by col.hutty — July 30, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
I am an extended edition buff and have a big collection of original ones and all the fanedits from here.
Many extended editions do not add anything to the movie, just add more useless scenes. I will rate the ones here.
Rating criteria: image quality, sound quality, 3x improvement, overall.
Image Quality: 7 of 10
Sound Quality: 7 of 10
Improvement: 5 of 10
Overall: 6 of 10
I am an extended edition buff and have a big collection of original ones and all the fanedits from here.
Many extended editions do not add anything to the movie, just add more useless scenes. I will rate the ones here.
Rating criteria: image quality, sound quality, 3x improvement, overall.
Image Quality: 7 of 10
Sound Quality: 7 of 10
Improvement: 5 of 10
Overall: 6 of 10
C
(Updated: September 11, 2012)
Enjoyment
6.0
Review by neuralclone - September 15, 2009 @ 11:14 pm
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
*This rating was given before reviews were required*
N