Star Wars Episode IX: The Final Order

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Brief Synopsis:
This is a "Rey Nobody" edit, removing her link to Palpatine. The other major change is that Leia dies toward the beginning of the film, removing her from the plot.

The core idea is to strengthen the ties to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi to give a clear character arc to both Rey and Kylo Ren.

I also removed some unnecessary jokes and tidied up some action beats. The goal is to create a fun, engaging movie that satisfies as an ending to these character's stories.
Refocus the movie by giving clear characters arcs to Rey and Kylo Ren. Leia dies at the beginning of the film, and Rey is no longer related to Palptaine.
Additional Notes:
Rey and Kylo Ren's story arcs are muddied by trying to ret-con The Last Jedi, and include deleted scenes of Princess Leia after Carrie Fisher passed before filming. Rey is no longer helped at every turn by legacy characters. Kylo Ren hesitates to strike down Rey of his own accord, without his mother's help. Rey does not have a famous lineage to fight against, only the power within her.
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The Rise of Skywalker - Ascendent by HAL9000
The Last Skywalker Awakens by BBghost
The Rise of Skywalker For Your Consideration Score by John Williams
LEGO Star Wars - The Force Awakens
Disney Infinite 3.0
Special Thanks:
HAL9000, RogueLeader, BBGhost, amobex, GMatias, fidodido, poppasketti, Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, 21C Peasant, LILLIAN02230,
tampopo, skenera, dgraham414, DominicCobb, BenSlzak, kewlfish, Luke Frik, CaptainFaraday, Cinefy, ThisIsCreation, Ziggyonice, axlanian,
krausfadr, Ben, DG, Chase Adams, snooker, bionicbob, sherlockpotter, Octorox, jonh, David_B, Sir Ridley, tampopo, ArtisDead and mrbenjamino.
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Editing Details:
I've been kicking around some ideas for this movie basically since it came out. As some of you know, I did do a light revision to HAL9000's stellar edit of this movie that more fit my tastes and pacing. I don't advertise it as so much of the work is originally HAL's, but I think I'm going to take another, very different crack at it.

I'm also breaking my rule of not editing movies I really dislike, because I really dislike this movie. However, there's possibly enough elements in there to make it work, and I can't get it out of my head.

It's easy to say that bringing back Palpatine is a mistake, but I've softened on that a bit. I'm actually a little more Ok with Palpatine as the big bad of the entire series. That's not actually the problem.

The big problem, to me, is a lack of focus. The movie is all over the place, trying to cram in too many plots, subplots, and character arcs. Nothing is given enough time to breathe, so nothing ever feels satisfying. I can tell you what TFA and especially TLJ are about. I have no idea what Rise of Skywalker is about. I have no idea what it has to say.

So, how do we fix this? My core ideas:

- Leia needs to not be involved in the plot. Her sloppily worked in deleted scenes from TFA don't fit, have no purpose, and completely take over the story of Rey and Kylo. I love Carrie Fisher and Princess Leia, but they should've just let her rest.

- Rey cannot be a Palpatine. TFA and TLJ set up a completely different arc for her. In those movies, it's about her being a nobody with tremendous power that doesn't belong in this story. She's figuring out what her place is. In TROS, the plot is almost completely based around her lineage. I know a lot of people don't like that she's just nobody, but the solution is not to eliminate two movies worth of character and plot development to change it to something completely different.

- Rey cannot, at every turn, be assisted by other Star Wars characters. She defeats Kylo because Leia intervened. She defeats Palpatine because the spirits of the past Jedi intervened. She's the hero. She needs to do it herself.

How does that create focus? Well, because the movie is now about Kylo being pulled to the light, and Rey being pulled to the dark. They're both on the brink of their respective breakthroughs. Kylo feels remorse for killing Han, and he feels the loss of his mother. He definitely feels something for Rey. The light is trying to grab him more than ever, and he's fighting as hard as he ever has.
Cuts and Additions:
(changes from TROS Ascendent are marked with an asterisk):

- Overall color correction using LUTs provided by skenera*

- Added a new opening crawl


Flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy. The tyrannical First Order has retaliated by attacking any planetary system that supports the Resistance.

An ailing General Leia Organa helps Rey, the sole heir to the Jedi, continue training to harness her powerful connection to the Force.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule....

- Added two new establishing shots to the opening Mustafar sequence to slow the pacing slightly, building on what was done for V1 (visual FX from poppasketti, Movies Remastered, NeverarGreat, and 21C Peasant as well as audio assistance from LILLIAN02230)*

- Added a subtle call from Palpatine, saying “Find me,” as Kylo Ren picks up the Wayfinder*

- Removed Palpatine's lines about making Snoke and being every voice inside Kylo's head.

- Replaced the vat of cloned Snokes with cloned Palpatine’s (FX by poppasketti)*

- Removed the slight electrical crackle as Palpatine reveals his hands (FX by skenera)*

- Moved Palpatine describing spirit transfer into his first scene, turning it into a warning to Kylo Ren and setting up stakes for later (RogueLeader idea)*

- Palpatine scene now ends on "as the new emperor", removing the part about Rey. Reordered some prior shots for a smooth exit from the scene.

- Moved the scene with Chewie, Poe, and Finn playing holochess to the end of the movie, with a shot having been modified here to depict dropping out of hyperspace (FX by poppasketti)*

- Replaced Finn’s now first line “Artoo” with “Look sharp” (dgraham414 idea)*

- Removed lightspeed skipping sequence. It made no sense given how hyperspace has always been depicted, as quick travel, not teleportation. Now, the Falcon bursts through the ice wall while jumping to hyperspace, and the pursuing TIEs peel off, ending the scene (visual FX by poppasketti)*

- Only because he has no proper introduction and would appear suddenly due to other changes made, removed Klaud from a few shots (FX by poppasketti)*

- New establishing shot of Ajan Kloss and some visuals of the jungle before jumping to Rey on the training course. This slows the pace down a little. All of Leia's scenes and the "be with me" set up are removed.

- The blue Skywalker lightsaber is now portrayed throughout the film with a somewhat ‘cracked’ appearance similar to Kylo Ren’s in order to build on the conclusion to TLJ and reflect Rey’s inner conflict (visual FX by kewlfish, Luke Frik, and Movies Remastered)*

- Leia's death scene now occurs where Rey's vision originally was placed, cutting back and forth between Rey and Kylo feeling it through the Force. Utilized a deleted scene from TLJ for the Kylo shots.

- Poe and Finn returning to the base has been replaced with the one later in the film, where they are told Leia is dead. We then cut to Leia's funeral.

- Kylo now has a vision separate from Rey’s, before reforging his mask, better establishing his motivation for doing so (by DominicCobb)*

- This sequence now ends with Kylo's mask being repaired. The scene where he meets the First Order Generals is separated and occurs later.

- Replaced Poe’s lines, including “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” with part of the Emperor’s speech being played, implied to be part of the gathered intel*

- Removed Leia from the Resistance briefing.

- Removed a line of dialogue establishing an unnecessary 16-hour ‘ticking clock’ to the plot*

- Rey now runs to get the Jedi book, but then sits and reads it, discovering the page about the Wayfinder. This then transitions to her preparing the Falcon.

- Leia and Rey scene removed before leaving the planet. Slightly reordered surrounding scenes to accommodate.

- When Rey is staring into the jungle, she now sees a flashback of her and Leia hugging from The Force Awakens.

- Moved Kylo meeting the First Order Generals to here.

- Added the planet Coruscant to two shots during the scene with Kylo Ren in a boardroom on his Star Destroyer (visual FX by poppasketti)*

- Removed Rey's "I've never seen anything like this" and Finn's "I've never seen so few wayfinders." It seemed out of character for Finn to step on Rey's sense of wonder.

- Removed Poe’s use of the word ‘random.’*

- The puppet show now depicts Luke’s feats at the Battle of Crait in TLJ, strengthening the idea that Luke’s ‘legend’ has taken root in the galaxy. (RogueLeader handmade and filmed puppet elements influenced by designs from CaptainFaraday and Cinefy, poppasketti and Movies Remastered provided a tedious clean backplate, and ThisIsCreation provided a new vocal dub for the alien narrator)*

- Removed some of the dialogue with Rey and the child. She doesn't ask her for her last name anymore, as that doesn't play into the story at any point.

- Cut some of Kylo Ren's dialogue with Rey relating to her parents.

- After Kylo Ren says “I will find you,” cut him saying “…and turn you to the dark side.” It’s implied that he will try to do that once he finds her, but why say it aloud? He should be trying to seduce her to the dark side and masking his intentions.*

- Moved the scene forward in which Rey’s necklace is reported to be traced to Pasaana aboard the Star Destroyer, for better pacing. Trooper line modified not to show him reporting Rey and company’s identities. (Ziggyonice idea)*

- Removed Lando's "Leia sent me a message".

- Used a foreign language dub for a milder delivery of Lando’s chauffeur’s one line*

- Removed the end of the Lando scene where they discuss Leia as if she's alive.

- Kept 3PO's "Oh, they fly now!" but removed Finn and Poe repeating it.

- Removed "Never underestimate a droid!" as the scene that sets it up has been cut.

- Removed Finn telling Rey he “never told you—“ while the heroes sink in the quicksand, as well as two subsequent references to it.*

- Cut Leia's scene back at the base. Moved forward the Knights of Ren landing on the planet to replace it.

- Removed Rey commenting that “horrible things” have happened with the dagger.*

- Rey's vision is moved to here, and tied to the strong dark energy of the dagger. References to her parents are removed, focusing the vision solely on dark Rey and the Sith throne.

- Added a few lines of dialogue throughout the film to the Knights of Ren (sourced from project by axlanian and krausfadr, with voice recordings submitted by axlanian, krausfadr, Ben, axlanian’s wife, poppasketti, DG)*

- Extended the confrontation between Rey and Kylo’s TIE in the desert using footage from the trailer (by DominicCobb)*

- Removed the explosion of Kylo Ren’s TIE, though it still rolls after being sliced by Rey*

- After Kylo Ren’s TIE is destroyed, for the remainder of the film his TIE is depicted with a differently color stripe (visual FX by poppasketti)*

- Removed Rey's overly dramatic initial "CHEWIE!" to keep her at more of a stunned silence and shock.

- Added new shot of Ochi’s ship taking off with the heroes as Kylo Ren watches in order to slightly slow the pace (visual FX by poppasketti)*

- When Rey mentions her vision of seeing the Sith throne, she comments she saw herself on it, making no reference to Kylo Ren, for greater consistency with her vision as seen by the audience and connection to her inner conflict of identity (RogueLeader idea)*

- Removed a BB-8 reaction shot during this conversation, as I repurposed it later.

- Removed part of Poe’s line about their efforts being for nothing, allowing 3PO’s statement later to feel original to him*

- Reordered shots to show Rey contemplating before asking 3PO to consider going through with the memory wipe*

- Chewie is not revealed to be alive until Rey senses him from Kijimi. *

- Zorri gives Poe a cold stare, muting her line about seeing his brains in the snow*

- Removed dialogue referencing R2 backing up 3PO’s memory, which immediately destroyed any weight his sacrifice had before it had even happened, practically stating to the audience what will later happen.*

- - Removed D-O's "sad" line, as it undercuts the emotion of the moment with a joke.

- Removed “from the Southern shore” from 3PO’s recital of the Sith dagger inscription to better fit in with its altered characteristics.*

- Extended the “squeaky wheel” sequence in order to slow the pace using footage from the bonus disc (audio help from LILLIAN2330, visual FX by poppasketti)*

- Removed some of Rey and Finn's dialogue relating to her heritage.

- Replaced 3PO line starting with “Whoever this Chewie person is...” due to being one of a few clunky reminders that he had his memory erased (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*

- Removed Finn yelling “POE!”*

- The scene where Poe and Finn are brought before Pryde is moved to here, so as not to interrupt the flow of the next scene since it has been shortened.

- When Rey picks up the dagger in Kylo's quarters, another vision of herself on the throne is triggered.

- Majority of the dialogue in the Rey/Kylo saber fight here is removed, as most of it relates to her parents. The action is cut to accommodate. Kylo now just tells her he needed her to see the power of the dark side, and that he is going to find her.

- Cut the shocked reactions to "I'm the spy!", going straight to Poe's "I knew it!" I think the joke lands better that way.

- Replace 3PO/trooper dialogue to depict 3PO somewhat out of his element (by axlanian, replacing work from RogueLeader for V1)*

- Kylo Ren now tells Rey that Palpatine wants her dead because he saw a vision of her killing him and taking the throne, removing the concept that she is related to Palpatine in any way. He simply fears her power. (idea and help from RogueLeader)

- Music has been removed from Rey and Finn repairing the ship. She hears the Sith whispers again and proclaims she is going to destroy Palpatine. A BB-8 reaction shot is used here to break up the scene. No mention of Palpatine killing her parents.

- The moon containing the wreckage of the second Death Star has been recontextualized as Endor, replacing what was Endor with an ice moon during the space establishing shot and moving the Ewok snippet up from the film’s climax. (Visual FX by poppasketti and snooker)*

- Replaced the obtuse reminder that 3PO had his memory erased in the form of a line “Is everyday like this for you people?” (alternate line provided by Chase Adams)*

- Finn's "and so does Leia" has been changed to "and so did Leia".

- Removed Rey using the dagger as an impossible compass while surveying the wreckage of the second Death Star. ‘Sith whispers’ have been added strategically to imply the dagger mystically guiding her to the Wayfinder.*

- Cut Kylo Ren's lines about Leia.

- When Rey first says "give it to me" a sith whisper accompanies Kylo Ren's shiver, as if it almost worked.

- Added a brief musical allusion to ‘Duel of the Fates’ during the duel on the Death Star using music from Maul’s scene in Solo (idea and help from Cinefy)*

-Leia's death is removed from here, and all references to her interjecting in the action are removed.

- Kylo now stops himself from killing Rey, which gives her the opportunity to kill him. The sith whispers are heard again, and she regrets killing him in anger, realizing it's bringing her closer to the dark side. Flashbacks to TLJ hand touching scene are used.

- Trimmed Finn’s final whimper of “Rey!” during the duel*

- New transition from Endor to a Star Destroyer establishing shot.

- Palpatine now says "The Jedi Apprentice has disrupted my plan" so he doesn't mention Leia. The scene has been rescored.

- Extended the establishing shot of Kylo during the Han scene by a few seconds to slow the pace (thanks to Luka Frik and Octorox)*

- Cut the close up on Kylo Ren at the very end of the scene to accommodate a better transition to Ach-To.

- Extended the Ach-To establishing shot for a smoother transition.

- Softened the stark sound effect slightly as Luke catches the lightsaber, since he is immaterial*

- Regraded Ach-To sequence to take place at night, concluding at dawn (grading and rotoscoping by NeverarGreat)*

- Cut Luke's line about showing respect to the saber.

- Added an additional establishing shot breaking up the Rey on Ahch-to scenes so it doesn’t seem like she only spends a couple minutes on the island (modeled after DominicCobb’s clip)

- Reduced blue coloration to Luke’s ghostly visage, slimmed him down somewhat, and shortened Mark Hammil’s wig to better fit his prior appearances (NeverarGreat and jonh, respectively)*

- Cut Luke's dialogue about Rey being a Palpatine. It's now all about her facing her fear.

- Removed Luke mentioning Leia sensing “the death of her son” at the end of her Jedi path (sherlockpotter)*

- Completely removed the destruction of Kijimi and the Resistance’s reaction. This helps us imagine the Final Order as an Imperial stockpile since it was the only glimpse into them before the First Order arrives to help. It avoids yet another planet destruction, and generally smooths things over.*

- Added R2 and 3PO’s prequel theme briefly during the memory restoration scene (Cinefy idea)*

- Removed Finn and Poe's dialogue about Rey, D-O doesn't know anything about her, he just has all the details on Exegol.

- Removed the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we may.*

- Removed the subtitle for Nien Nunb’s one line. He was never subtitled in the past and it’s not needed.*

- Slightly restructured the Exegol space battle’s beginning to consolidate story threads (DominicCobb)*

- Removed Finn telling BB8 “great job, buddy” during the mounted attack in order to preserve a sense of tension or seriousness*

- Replaced the Imperial TIE Kylo took to Exegol with Vader’s TIE, because ANH had made a point to establish that TIEs don’t have hyperdrives. (Was originally an Imperial shuttle in V1; FX by poppasketti)*

- Trimmed Palpatine dialogue that references Rey's parents and her relation to him. Again, the focus is on her capacity to use the dark side.

- When Ben takes hold of the Skywalker saber, the blade stop crackling.

- Trimmed a moment when Ben seems to wait for the Knight to hit his saber (David_B idea)*

- Added a small bit of score from ROTS as Palpatine absorbs the power of Rey and Ben’s friendship (Cinefy idea)*

- Added a cacophony of voices to the appearance of the civilian fleet to the battle. Several craft can be heard signing in via comm, and a few cheer “For Skywalker!” during the charge in order to tie into Luke’s Inspiring act at the Battle of Crait (thanks to axlanian for help mixing, and to the few dozen contributors who sent in recordings: poppasketti, AbramPT, Wesyeed, mrbenjamino, KieranKhalid, alastair, Anakin Skywalker, JKMaxx, Cinefy, Knight of Kalee, Chase, jonh, tobar, Doubleofive, Dana Domenick, Master Lawdog, Harmy, brewzter, Blake, Justin W, Reylochriso, Elia97963000, EllaLisa15, JediTwilight, deefayy, joelkarnold, AnEnemyAnemone, sixtailedcat, 5footwonderful, ThisIsCreation, CaptainFaraday, CaptainFaraday’s mother, sherlockpotter, and Richard D)*

- Extended a space exterior shot using an ILM demo clip in order to remove Poe’s line, “Every [underbelly cannon] we knock out is a world saved.” (Visual FX to remove watermark by Sir Ridley, audio FX assisted by mrbenjamino)*

- Rey no longer repeats "be with me" as she sees the destruction overhead, and does not hear the Jedi voices. She instead has flashes of various characters comforting and helping her throughout the series, which gives her the determination to get up. (idea by bbghost)

- Rey now says "I'm a Jedi" instead of "I am all the Jedi". Shortened the delay between "And I..." and her catching the Saber.

- Because the first Ewok shot was used earlier, Coruscant and Naboo have been added in its place in the planetary celebration montage (Coruscant FX by poppasketti, and Naboo FX by snooker and skenera)*

- The holochess scene between Chewie, Finn, and Poe has been moved to Tatooine.*

- Added a subtle double rainbow to the first shot of the Lars homestead, originally inspired by a similar phenomena at that filming location as seen on the bonus material, rationalized into a deep cut reference to Leia’s infantile destination of Alderaan, which sports a double rainbow in ROTS. (FX by poppasketti)*

- The ghostly visage of a redeemed Ben Solo now accompanies the Skywalker twins during the final scene (visual FX by jonh)*

- The ending has been reworked, removing the old lady and any dialogue regarding Rey's name. A subtle shift in color pulls Rey's attention to the binary sunsets, which stands to go look at. She then sees the Skywalker Force ghosts, then turns her attention back to the sunsets, which leads to the credits.

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Spence my really took the skin off the ball on this one.

Ths won't be a long review since I actually don't want to spoil it for people.

The FX work on this is first class...I mean Adywan levels of quality. Frankly, like others I had to go and do shot for shot comparisions since I did not believe what I saw . I ended up printing out the changes list and ticking them off on a second viewing, with the original in my second blu ray player cued up to switch between the two on my second GEEK pass, as opposed to my first clean watch through.

This is just leagues better than the theatrical version....which would rate a 7, so a big uptick on that score of Enjoyment to a 9. The only reason it is not a 10 is that there are just characters and performance whcih cannot be totally fixed or removed. Simialarly for Narrative, the original would be a 5 or 6, and again, this holds off being a 10 coz there is still a feeling of throwing in everything but the kitchen sink, HOWEVER, this is now a lot cleaner narrative wise, and the excisions made are masterfully executed.

This is a stellar peice of work and even though I concur with many of @nic 's points sits in an Amray case on the shelf next to the official version (which is sine inwards, so that I do not accidentaly watch it EVER AGAIN)!

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I had to go back and check the original version to see what had been changed. I found the editing changes to be very clever and seemless. I particularly liked the changes to the sith dagger and the delay in finding out chewie was still alive. The theatrical version I found to be the worst of the sequel trillogy but I would now rate this better than the last jedi but still not as good as the force awakens (but it comes a very close 2nd).

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I’ll start by just mentioning the notes I took while watching the edit.

-I like the addition of using Vader’s temple on Mustafar from Rogue One, both as a visual reminder as well as a way to help slow down the film’s pacing

-Seems like there should be a mention in the crawl that the people Kylo Ren’s fighting on Mustafar are either With Cultists/Vader loyalists/whatever so we know Kylo isn’t slaughtering potentially innocent people without context.

-I’m pleasantly surprised by how much I don’t miss “My boy, I made Snoke.” The vat of the Palpatine clones is implication enough as to what Snoke actually was.

-”You will rule all the Galaxy, as the new emperor.” I have more to say about this later, but in the moment, I love the idea that Palpatine isn’t outwardly trying to be the big bad, but instead trying to help Kylo do what Kylo thinks he wants. Of course, Kylo knows better than to trust Palpatine at face value, and most importantly, Kylo gets to keep his agency in this edit.

-How you handled Leia’s exit is great…but after you cut from R2’s reaction to another shot of Rey reacting through the Force, Rey is making a lot of crying sounds that are not conveyed at all by Daisy Ridley’s acting. The first time is fine, when she’s moving her head, but not so much when her had is staying still/

-On a similar note, on Chewie’s reaction to Leia’s death, there’s this weird thing where someone says “Chewie” before he cries out in anger, & it sounds awkward & also like it’s clashing with the musical cue that’s playing?

-This probably has more to deal with HAL, but I appreciate the little changes you did keep, mostly because I’m able to recognize that they ARE changes (i.e., I didn’t realize the Skywalker puppet show was a new addition when I first saw it in HAL’s edit.) I appreciate how Hux is a Captain now, since it helps justify his later actions, & Kylo’s reason for reforging his mask, while brilliant in HAL’s edit, is made even better in this edit, since now Kylo is reforging the mask in reaction to his mother’s death. He feels the call to the light & he’s trying to fight it.

Honestly, I wish you went further with the montage & added in Leia’s passing away, as well as Kylo saying he feels the call to the light since now he’s torn by the death of both his parents (more properly setting up his new arc in this edit), showcase more how he’s trying to hide from himself.

-Love the use of “they [The First Order] fly now” & the lightsaber/flashlight gag is still perfect.

-I love how you cut Rey’s scream of “Chewie” after she destroys the transport. Her silent reaction just hammers home just how much shock she’s in.

-”I know where she’s going.” I’m not sure if that was in the original cut, but I suppose it makes sense, given their force bond.

-While I do wish the Knights of Ren still had more lines (“Solo’s Wookie,” “I get his teeth,” “Well that’s not fair,” etc.), I appreciate the line “Kylo Ren wants the girl alive” since it showcases that Kylo Ren & Palpatine want different things.

-Great choice of having it so 3PO no longer parrots Poe verbatim when speaking about how all they’ve done would’ve been for nothing. I also really appreciate cutting out him saying “wait, maybe we could try this,” really let the moment stand on its own. Really makes me wish that 3PO didn’t get his memory back in this edit, since that means there’s one less person to remember Leia bye, which would’ve been heartbreaking.

-“You don’t just have power. You have his power. You…will kill Palpatine…& take the throne.” As much as I want the idea of Rey having killed her parents in TROS edits, this line of dialogue is pretty perfect. I have more to say later on when it comes to negatives, but I’m very okay with Rey being this prodigy in the Force struggling with how to use her power, or if she should use it at all.

-Is Finn saying “so *did* Leia” new? I want to say the original line was “so *does* Leia,” so it’s impressive if you were able to make such a change. Also, great how this is the first direct mention of Leia after her death & the masks are starting to break on both Finn & Poe.

-Is it me, or is the lightsaber fight in the rain incredibly chopped down. I remember it lasting far longer, then again, Leia was supposed to have died here, so that’s probably it. Still, love how Ren finally gives into the light & Rey (briefly) gives into the darkness

“The Jedi apprentice has disrupted my plans.” That…sounds wrong. The implication sounds like Ren dying was a part of Palpatine’s plan, which…why? Throughout this edit, Palpatine has been keen on killing Rey because she has the potential to put Palpatine down for good. Why then, would Palpatine try to kill the vessel that can’t kill him. I know you said you wanted to make Palpatine’s motivation more clear, but if anything it sounds more inconsistent.

I think the line should be “The last Skywalker (Ben Solo) has disrupted my plans.” Throughout this edit, it’s clear that Palpatine & Kylo do not want the same thing (Palpatine wants her dead, Kylo wants her alive. So for him to fight Rey & not only not kill her but come out of it on the light side of the Force, now Palpatine has lost out on a vessel that lacks the power to kill him for good, & now has to rely on the vessel that can kill him if he doesn’t play his cards right. That certainly would disrupt Palpatine’s plans.

-This is personal preference, but I hate how Rey & Kylo both use blue lightsabers against Palpatine. While I’m okay with Ben using a blue lightsaber, especially since it’s Anakin’s lightsaber which is a dream come true for him, I’ve never seen blue lightsaber wielders as being the most enlightened of Jedi (chalk that up to Luke in RotJ & Qui-Gon Jinn both using green lightsabers). Also, the new canon has made me sick of it’s overreliance on giving Jedi blue lightsabers (Rey, Kylo, Luke in the Krait battle of TLJ, Ezra, Kanan, Kanan’s master’s retcon lightsaber in The Bad Batch, etc.), meaning outside of being a perfect tribute to Carrie Fisher, Rey holding a purple lightsaber at least gives off some visual variety, & also stands perfectly between the light/blue lightsabers & the dark/red lightsabers, which would also make a great cap to Rey’s character arc.

-I don’t hate the idea of Rey not being bailed out by every legacy character, especially if we’re going with the idea of her being a prodigy/new vergence in the force. But her ultimate triumph against Palpatine just isn’t earned, because all we get is an (admittedly, well put together) montage of Rey’s Jedi journey as told by closeups of her hand, which doesn’t really inform any change about her character other than the fact that she was indeed on a journey. Also, as pointed elsewhere, it means the ST basically ends with the same thematic endpoint as the OT, except worse because instead of Luke throwing his lightsaber away & winning his father back because of his convictions, Rey wins through the same act of redirected violence that caused the fall of the Republic & rise of the Empire the last time Palpatine’s lightning was thrown in his face.

So, let’s keep the montage of Rey’s Jedi journey told by close ups of her hand, but let’s also add Finn taking her hand in TFA into the mix (I’m honestly surprised that shot wasn’t in here). We then cut to all the people she’s made friends with, as well as her relationship with Kylo / Ben & the times she’s gotten angry, accompanied by Luke’s line from TLJ about “powerful light, powerful darkness,” showcasing that Rey is capable of embodying both. You can then cut in Leia’s line about how “we have everything we need” (hopefully the “we” part can be changed to “you”) as well as “never be afraid of who you are. That last line is especially important, since now this is Leia telling Rey those words from beyond, and serves as a response/refutation of Dark Rey/Rey’s doubts & fears of her capabilities. Rey then wins using her own light & her own darkness, because she’s *not* a Jedi, she’s something else.

-Lastly, since I doubt Disney intends to go back to the ST or beyond it for quite some time, why not have an ambiguous open ending? Inspired by krausfader’s edit, as Rey buries the lightsabers in the sand, you could have a line of dialogue from an older Jedi suggesting that maybe Rey doesn’t want to lead the next generation of Jedi or even continue her own training (ideally, I’d source Asokah’s line from Mando season 2 about how connections to the Force eventually fade away, but that’d never get approved unless official blu-rays of Mando season 2 were made). Then instead of seeing the force ghosts of the Skywalker family, Rey catches a glimpse of…something. The audience never sees what it is, but whatever it is, it gives Rey a sense of peace. Does Rey decide to continue her training, or does she decide to live her life as a normal person? Whatever her choice, she is happy, and that’s what matters.

Overall, I’d say my opinion is mixed. I love a lot of what was done, but it can be taken even further. I hope Spence is open to a version 3, but I’d still recommend version 2 for people to decide for themselves.

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I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy, especially ep 8 and 9, that being said i don't have high hopes for edits of said movies, but i was quite impressed by this edit. By removing Palpatine/Rey kinship and Snoke being created by Palpatine, it works much better. The feeling I had when watching this edit was that Palpatine was bidding his time in the shadows while the First Order was waging war to the New Republic and the Resistance.

Some things I'd like to see removed or corrected:
- More OT sounds (especially turbolaser sounds)
- Some of Hux scenes (I hate what they've done with this character)
- "Use Ion cannons" either remove this line or correct all green turbolasers to blue
- TIE scout, I admit that to the common person that would seem a regular TIE but having it replaced by the TIE X1, people will associate it to Vader's fighter. Of course that it could be another fighter hanging in the Death Star, but to me you could either leave at is is or replacing by a TIE Vangard or a legends TIE/sr Scout (seen in the movie)

All in all I like this edit, and even though I have some issues with the movie itself it has nothing to do with the edit (apart from the TIE Scout). Good work

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I've now watched a handful of edits of this film. And, sadly, I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to concede that, like the prequels, this just can't be fixed to my satisfaction. This is in no way a criticism of Spence's work. I'm not an editor, but I didn't notice any real issues. He makes some definite improvements and I prefer the direction he take--trying to keep it in line with TLJ--to other edits that seem to more embrace the idea that bloodline is what the Force is all about, Unfortunately, the edit doesn't go far enough for me. To be fair, at this point I'm watching this movie with an eye towards how much could be changed without creating massive narrative issues and I'm not sure much more COULD have been done. Hence my coming to terms with the fact this movie can't be fixed. As it stands I think this edit has some unique ideas that could be merged with other editors' ideas to create something tolerable, if not satisfying. Spence's edit is certainly that for me as it at least de-emphasized some of the more egregious issues, if not eliminated them. It's a well polished turd, but for me still a turd.

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