Star Wars: Downfall of The Old Republic

 
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(Updated: April 29, 2014)
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SPOILERS ABOUND THROUGHOUT

This is the sort of deep, bold edit I've wanted to watch to see how well it could work. The answer is it sort of works. The whole of Episode 1 feels like an opening action scene akin to the Battle of Hoth. The complete elimination of the Gungans and the trip to Tatooine and Coruscant works for the most part. It really makes you realize how unnecessary those scenes are. A couple of issues do arise, however. The queen, handmaiden, decoy thing is confusing. I am assuming the intent is that the queen and Padme are considered two separate characters. But for a first time viewer this may all be confusing. It also leaves for very few character moments. Qui Gon is wholly undeveloped and as such his death has little impact. I kind of treat it as a Scream or GoT type thing where an leading, well known actor is killed off early to set up the stakes. One thing I might do is cut the hologram of Palpatine from "I have word from the ambassador that the Jedi did arrive" (or whatever the exact quote is) to "I have word that the Jedi did arrive." That way when we really meet him on Coruscant we don't have any conflicting info about who the Chancellor is.

The transition from the Episode 1 material into Episode 2 is abrupt and awkward. Maybe a slightly deeper cut would help so you don't hear the opening fanfare fading out. I understand the desire to have as much introduction to Anakin as possible but I would still cut the stuff between Anakin and Padme in the apartment. Leave Obi Wan as the only one she knows and Anakin is just his new Padawan. I personally like the subtitled Zam death as a way to reveal Kamino (or Geonosis as in your edit) rather than the Obi Wan detective stuff. I assume we are to think Anakin's original plan was to bring Padme to his home planet for safekeeping? It all feels abrupt and strange as we have no prior introduction to Tatooine, but I'm not sure how that could be helped. I think I may be have left in some Naboo stuff. I have seen Ep2 edits that have handled the romance pretty well. I understand your focus on making Obi Wan more central and diminishing the Anakin/Padme stuff, but as filmed I just don't think it works as well. Lose the Obi Wan detective stuff and expand the relationship development of Anakin and Padme. Anakin's dreams about his mother can serve as foreshadowing to the Tatooine stuff.

One of the bolder cuts and one I've not seen before is the elimination of Kamino and, if I'm not mistaken all references to clones. It works! After all but eliminating Jar Jar and Gungans, I'm not sure why you left in Jar Jar being the senator to propose the emergency powers amendment. The whole bit is unnecessary. The scene can end after Palpatine's lackey says emergency powers must be granted. Pick up the senate scene as the lackey says "order order."

Again, the transition between Ep2 and Ep3 material could be smoother. I was a bit distracted during some of the Ep3 stuff, but it seems you got rid of the audience's awareness of the pregnancy (until the very end) and Anakin's premonitions of Padme's death. I'm not wild about that and would love to hear your reasoning. It seems to undermine the motivations for Anakin turning.

The duel: while you left in some parts I'm not wild about I LOVE the way you handled the end of the duel. I've never seen that done in other edits and, for me, it works! I've always hated them skating around on the droids.

I know preferences vary on this point, but I'm not a fan of the Qui Gon immortality training bit.

My biggest gripe with this edit is the reordering of the ending. I always thought one of the few things Lucas got right was ending with Luke and the binary sunset. If you must keep the birth of Vader out of that sequence, I feel moving it to post credits would be best.

Overall, this worked for me. An edit of this nature is going to have issues. Namely characters turning up in odd places suddenly, unexplained large passages of time, etc. But it really shows that these three films could have been treated as one. And spending 2:30 watching them is a lot better than spending 7 hours with them.

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Thank you for the review. I will try to respond to as many of your points as I can. First the line said during the Queen's talk with Palpatine is "The negotiations haven't started because the ambassadors aren't there, but how can that be true?" The ambassadors are the Jedi, and my intent is to imply that Palpatine is the Chancellor at the beginning and sends the Jedi there so he can tell the Trade Federation to kill them and invade the planet Naboo to start the war. Padme is intended to be the Queen, who is also the senator for her people. It is not really my fault that Lucas decide to add ridiculous notions of an elected child Queen, and body doubles, and all this nonsense that isn't that well explained in the full cuts of the films. I agree that the transitions from film to film could be smoother and hope to address that in a future version of the edit once I have some more experience. You say that the scenes of Anakin and Padme on Naboo would have helped, but I think they are pure crap, every last second of them. I also think that my ending is the best part of the edit. I hated how Lucas ended every one of these prequels with a happy ending. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on my edit, and I will consider all your ideas, even the ones I don't necessarily agree with.

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(Updated: April 29, 2014)
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7.8
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I watched the 720p MP4 version of this edit and the quality of this file suggests to me that the Blu-Ray version thats available would probably be on par with the official release, I just didn't have the bandwidth to spare.

The visual and audio edits are mostly seamless. The only edits that are obvious are the joining of TPM to AOTC and then to ROTS.

Narrative wise I would not suggest this to a first-time viewer. It feels more like a "TV to Movie" edit that cuts out all the filler (filler that is sometimes necessary for character development) and gives the viewer the overall plot in a condensed form.
What this edit REALLY exceeds at is highlighting how much of the prequel movies is completely unimportant. There are no Gungans (except for Jar Jar), no Kamino subplot and it really doesn't doesn't affect the overall story arc. It works for the better!

I would suggest this edit to someone who wants to rewatch the prequels at a quicker and more serious pace but I probably wouldn't recommend it as someone's first experience of the prequels.

I certainly enjoyed it more than the actual films... Haha... Keep up the good work HanShotFirst!!
I look forward to your next project!

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Thanks so much for the review. I also agree that there are a couple of transitions that are not completely smooth. Perhaps I will try to improve them in the future with an updated version when I have some more editing experience under my belt. As far as the character development I don't know if added any footage back in would help. Anakin's character is so whiny that it just makes the viewer hate him, Padme is boring, and the scenes of them supposedly falling in love on Naboo just make me less likely to believe their relationship. I appreciate you giving your honest opinions on the edit and agree with most of them, except maybe the "feels like a tv movie" part.

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This edit was ambitious, but due to some amateurish editing and continuity errors brought on by the editing, this edit suffers. If you wish you can PM me and I can point out things that need to be fixed seeing as how the edit had tons of potential. As for good things: I love how you used TPM as a monologue though you should have used the scene when Yoda makes Obi-Wan a Jedi Knight and gives him permission to train Anakin so that when we see him in later we are not confused as to who he is. The scene in which Palpatine revealed himself to Anakin was masterfully crafted and went along with what you were trying to do with Anakin (Until you had the Padme/Vader scene on Mustafar in which he says "I am becoming more powerful than any Jedi has ever dreamed of. To protect you" and he also says "I won't lose you the way I lost my mother"). The way you ended the Obi-Wan vs Vader duel was kind of awesome and I haven't seen that in another fan edit. Kudos for that. The way you had Vader put at the suit is something no other fan editor has done yet and it was masterfully done. Like I said don't hesitate to PM me because I would like to help you in making this fan edit the best it possibly can.

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This is a great edit. A bigger recut was needed just as an experiment if it could work or not and this looks like it very much can!

It condenses Sidious' plot of befriending a Jedi of great potential and overthrowing the Republic. By showing less and focusing on the manipulation, Anakin's turn to the darkside feels more realistic.

Thoughts from watching:

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Changes Not Noticed in Other Fan Edits:

No clone troopers - This is the biggest and best new edit that I haven't heard of being done before. An "army of the republic" could field a view battalions from people from Coruscant just fine. Since they aren't involved in the fight on Geonosis, their can be a time gap from after it is declared and they are organized and deployed.

No Kamino - Human clones were always a bad idea. Call the droids "clones" (since they are mass produced) and be done with it.

No Naboo return - Good to skip most of this but maybe keep some dialogue about Anakin's home and keep the reason why they leave and go to Tatooine (forget what it was from actual Ep 2).

No General Grievous - great to get rid of that goofy CGI waste of time.

Didn't notice a Padme death dream - Made his desire to protect Padme a little more out of the blue, but he does reference that he doesn't want her to die like his Mom which adds a bit more sense. Maybe if he talked more about his home and Mother the connection would be more clear.

Ending fight cut was great idea - maybe slow down the drop of the pier, it looks like too far of a jump if it is too far over the lavafall. Maybe a quick establishing shot of Obi wan looking from the shore. It was a little jarring at first.

Great end on Vader

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Great Changes in this Fan Edit Noticed in other Fan Edits:
No yoda saber usage - great
No Promised One Prophecy

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Great Changes in Other Fan Edits but not in This One (and should be):
Make Federation leaders look less stupid in Ep 1
No Rex Dinner
No Youngling scenes or references / No killing Jedi kids (make Jedi's not a creepy cult) (HAL 9000)
No Stupid conveyor belt scene (HAL 9000)
Palapatine evil face reveal instead of scaring (HAL 9000)
Padme doesn't die at the end but becomes Traumatized (HAL 9000), this fits better as Anakin's motives are more political and lines up with OT continuity as Leia remembers her mom.

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Great Changes in Other Fan Edits but not in This One (and maybe should be):
No Anakin loses saber
Dooku revealed earlier in Ep2 (who is this "Dooku" people are talking about problem)
No "Tyranus", just Dooku

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Changes Recommended that may not be in other Edits:

No Jedi super speed on board ship (they can't use it later during Maul fight)

Cut "only a Sith deals in absolutes", self contradictory statement, Jedi should be smarter.

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Enlisted soldiers killing Jedi? - works if a select group of dark side disciples assigned to escort the Jedi but thousands attacking the temple right away is less believable.

Just show Vader marching into temple. Cut mass combat in the temple, Anakin killing kids, and Organa landing at temple.

A large force surrounding the temple and arresting Jedi would make the News pretty fast. You can assume most of the army force attacking the temple believe they are there to secure the site and arrest the Jedi (who are secretly executed later). But Anakin is there killing any Jedi that resist. Since many Jedi are off world, including their leadership, they are vulnerable.

Maybe cut mention of "see smoke from here".

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Love Story with Padme:

Cut the "I love you" out of nowhere in Ep2 before arena - just keep the hug at the end of Ep2

Cut marriage at end of Ep2. With the same Anakin hair it appears like it happens right away. Just start relationship after Ep 3 and it is more obvious a few years have past and we can assume their relationship started in Ep 2 but they didn't get married the next day.

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Queen to Senator Padmé Amidala Solution

Make Padme a military Lieutenant in Ep 1, who enters politics by the time of Ep 2.

Cut "queen Adamala" from Gunray on ship - start with "hello your highness"
Cut Sidious hologram saying "queen Amadala" - start with "will we find controlling her will not be difficult"

Cut out "your highness" when referencing her in the strategy planning section. Portman first appears in field explaining the attack plan. "your highness" is used twice here.

Cut reference to "time to sign treaty you highness." Just say "your little insurrection has come to an end". Cut "this one is a decoy"

Those are the only 5-6 times she is referenced as royalty in the edit, fix those and it will be as if Naboo has a child queen and a different elected senator, which actually makes sense.

You could even add to the opening text crawl that says "Before Adamala entered the Senate..."

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This edit is pretty awesome, I laughed pretty hard when phantom menace ended in 20 minutes (you must hate that movie) and I liked the removal of anything related to General Grievous (it worked shockingly well). The video quality was OK but I can't really tell because I watched an MP4 on my phone so I'll leave that at 8.

Visual Editing:

Pretty good all around except for a few very noticeable cuts, in the mustafar battle, Anakin and Obi-Wan do this extremely cheesy thing where they hold hands but then a second later they aren't anymore, the whole thing needs to be cut because it takes you out of the experience for a few moments. Later in that battle the end of it could have worked but it was edited roughly and is very obvious (also, there's never land at the bottom of a water/lava fall).

Audio Editing:

Pretty rough all around, battles were an absolute mess for the most part, music was freaking out and changing/rearranging all over the place and really drove me nuts! This might be one of your first edits but PLEASE fix this. It still passes though because the dialogue isn't shredded up. (although cutting mention of general grievous was a little awkward)

Narrative:

Works pretty well, mainly about obi-wan but sometimes cuts to anakin randomly, nothing terrible here (cutting clones actually makes a continuity error with the original trilogy jus' sayin')

Over all, I enjoyed it, it wasn't bad, has some unique cuts and is worth you while if you're on a Star Wars craze but nothing INSANE here.

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