Marvel Origins - Avengers: Part 3
- NTSC DVD-9
Cut the attack on Shield HQ
Cut Banner's intro
Intro Fades into Black Widow's Intro
Cut Cap's Intro
Cut Loki Talking with Aliens
Cut Black Widow talking about the trading cards
Cut Cap giving Fury 10 bucks.
Added Deleted scene with Widow and Banner
Added Deleted scene with Loki, Hawkeye and the doctor
Cut Colusin and Cap talking about trading cards
Cut Cap telling loki about Nazi's
Cut Loki's "I'm listening" Line to Thor
Cut Iron Man's shaskpere in the park BS
Cut Fury's line about Ant/Boot
Cut Baddy's in the truck with the weapon
Cut Thor's "You people are so petty and small" Line
Added Easter Egg scene
Cut Fury's Hero shot. Now there is only one jet.
Added Alternate ending and Replaced footage with footage from the feature.
Changed music during credit
Cut all existing after credit scenes and added custom scene.
I'd watch this again just for the Thor/Iron Man brawl! Come to think of it, I did watch it twice, second time with my kid. Seriously good movie, and it seems to me the changes were all for the better. I knock narrative just a notch because the movie can't really stand alone, you need to have seen Origins part II to not be scratching your head during some scenes. I'm a picky movie goer almost never give a 10 for enjoyment, so 9 is very good. I tend to like movies with more depth, but as action flicks go, this one is hard to beat.
I loved the choice of opening for this, it sets the right kind of tone for the dramatics that follow, and any extended focus on Maria is quite welcome, she's just as crucial to arc development as Coulson and deserves a bit more of a shake, it also follows up on the nuke angle perfectly, applying for logical consequence that did not get followed up on in the original. Cutting out how Loki put Barton under his control created an aura of mystery as well as menace. Everything felt tighter, still the occasional gag in places, but overall a much drama-oriented vibe. This is a fantastic edit that gives what I feel is an overrated movie something with focus and bite that it otherwise lacked in order to satisfy the masses.
While it's been a few years since I've seen the original, I honestly couldn't tell you what has been cut from this movie. It was equally as enjoyable this time around and taking a look at the cut list, I agree with pretty much everything that was cut (and I had forgotten about a lot of it). Only thing I noticed was that there was no explanation as to how Dr. Solveig (and Hawkeye) were commandeered to fight for Loki (in fact I had forgotten that part of the plot entirely).
I liked the lead-in extra scene at the end for Agents of Shield and I think it worked pretty well.
Overall I think this was a better take on an already great movie, though I don't feel this edit was nearly as necessary as parts 1 and 2. Regardless, great job juice4z0! You've managed to make phase 1 into a truly epic trilogy and I can't wait to see what you do with phase 2 and the rest of Marvel's great Cinematic Universe saga!
Nice job Juice. Other reviews covered the bases pretty well so I'll keep this short and sweet. This is a fun alternate version of the Avengers. The technical quality and editing skill in terms of the changes made seemed pretty flawless. Only technical thing I noticed was some slight ghosty jerky motion on a short shot toward the end due to some less than perfect slow motion. Barely noticeable and not a big deal IMO.
Narrative was a mixed bag for me. I enjoyed the added scenes and the way the new "bookend" scenes worked. Conversely, some of the beginning scenes that were cut really felt needed. If I had never seen the original movie I would have been very confused about what was going on. I could go either way on some of the cut humor, but the card signing that was cut goes beyond a simple laugh moment. It is a somewhat important emotional beat in the movie that brings a handful of scenes together. So that really felt missing as well.
Juice concludes his "Marvel Origins" trilogy with his strongest outing yet, where the Avengers team is finally formed and fight as one. There are many things to like about this edit, and Juice's technical skills have really grown over the course of this three part epic story. I am happy to say that this edit provides a satisfying conclusion to the Marvel Origins trilogy!
AUDIO/VISUAL QUALITY - 10
I watched the HD version of this edit, and I found the quality to be superb, even including the deleted scenes.
VISUAL EDITING - 10
Even though the editing for this outing is light (compared to the previous two monolithic undertakings of editing 5 movies at once!), the technical skills Juice displays with regards to visual editing here are top notch. From a visual standpoint, one would be hard pressed to find any obvious locations where an edit occurred. Stellar work here, Juice!
AUDIO EDITING - 9
Juice takes his audio editing skills up a notch with in this edit, as the vast majority of the time I could not detect his edits and everything flowed quite nicely. There were only a few minor places where I could notice edit points, but these did not detract from my enjoyment. There was really only one location that jumped out at me though, and that was the re-integration of the original source with the "new ending" at the end…the audio change (to me) was quite noticeable. But that really was my only issue concerning audio editing. Excellent work, Juice!
NARRATIVE - 8
As is now a trademark for all the "origin" movies, Juice gives us a truly awesome start to this edit, which is totally different than the original Avengers beginning. By assuming the audience has already seen the prior two parts, Juice uses this to his advantage and starts the movie after some of the events from the original movie have taken place.
Furthermore, Juice "bookends" the story with both the aforementioned new beginning and a new ending (which is actually a continuation of the beginning) -- a brilliantly executed idea that IMO provides far better narrative cohesiveness and ultimate satisfaction than the original, and for me is the highlight of this edit.
Most of the rest of the movie is lightly edited, which in most respects is a Good Thing, as the Avengers movie was generally very well done to begin with. The story, once the "team" is assembled, flows very nicely and is easy to follow.
One other very nice change Juice did with the narrative was to minimize the presence of"the council" -- while Juice couldn't remove them completely since they are part of the very ill-conceived plot point of sending a nuke to blow up manhattan (at a moment's notice, no less!), his new ending actually provides some nice satisfaction at allowing the movie to acknowledge the idiocy of this "decision" which should feel very satisfying for the audience when that happens.
There are a few narrative issues endemic to the original source that I think either Juice couldn't fix or felt it wasn't worth it. For example, from a visual perspective, it makes no sense how Captain America could possibly have reached that red lever to save Iron Man (again this is straight from the original source). And there are other moments in this film as well that don't hold up to repeated viewing in terms of narrative cohesiveness. But this was a summer blockbuster "popcorn" film after all, (and quite the blockbuster it was!), and as such, is not really meant to be held up to scrutiny plotting wise. Finally, it must be noted that (no fault to Juice) the Avengers movie chose a different (and better) actor to play Bruce Banner/The Hulk. I think the change is easy to accept, but it will feel strange at first, perhaps. And again, this has nothing to do with Juice's work, but since this change happens over the course of his "trilogy" I thought it worth mentioning.
I only had very few issues with the narrative regarding Juice's changes:
First, while I LOVE the new beginning, nonetheless, to watch this edit and make sense out of what is going on, one really must have watched the prior movies, or else feel a bit confused for a while until one can "get up to speed" with who these superheroes are and what the problem they are trying to address is. That's because the most heavily edited section is the beginning, where much of it was removed. This is understandable, since it can be argued that the prior two movies provide more than enough introduction for this final part. Perhaps the only exception is Captain America, who is not as fully represented in Parts 1 & 2 as the other superheroes, and so the bit of exposition that is cut from this movie might have helped us get to know him a little better. Ultimately though, I think one can still enjoy the edit without the introductory scenes Juice chose to cut in order to get the narrative into high gear sooner.
The other aspect about the new beginning was the reduction of describing what the tesseract is, and Loki's overall motives within the movie. I think losing the narrative introduction from the original regarding Loki working with the Frost people made it a bit harder to initially understand what was going on. But again, given the shallowness of the overall story, one can quickly get up to speed, especially once we get to Loki and Thor discussing what Loki's intentions are.
Finally, I feel that cutting the scenes where Agent Coulson asks Captain America to sign his cards and demonstrates how important they are to him somewhat lessens the impact of the later scene where these same cards are used by Fury to give the Avengers "a push" to finally work together. Moments like these (where elements from earlier in the movie reappear later to gain a new significance) provide more richness and depth to the narrative. Admittedly this is a movie with very little depth (and the card thing is not really that well executed or convincing anyway), but I did find that cutting this specific plot point slightly caused the later appearance of the cards and their apparent importance to be a bit confusing as in this edit, it is the first time we actually see them.
Overall though, Juice did an excellent job with the narrative of the Avengers, achieving both the goal of connecting it to his previous two parts as well as fixing one of the major problems (IMO) of the original -- the ending -- and he is to be commended for that!
ENJOYMENT - 8
I very much enjoyed this edit, as I also very much enjoyed the original Avengers. If pressed, perhaps I'd rate my enjoyment of the original slightly higher (maybe an 8.5), only because I like to have movies that feel self-contained. It's really a balance between the loss of the narrative introduction and character background exposition in the beginning against the improvement of the ending. But either way, this is a very enjoyable edit to watch!
OVERALL RATING - 8.5
As I previously said, this to me is the best of the Marvel Origins trilogy, and some of the changes Juice made are terrific. Plus, his technical editing once again demonstrates a very high level of skill. I think one of the aspects of this edit that shows off Juice's talent the best is that he exercised considerable constraint in NOT making more cuts than he did. He recognized when things worked, and thus let the original movie tell its own story for the most part, yet he still was able to laser focus in on the major problems and provide a satisfying alternative.
Very well done, Juice!
I highly recommend this edit to anyone who has already watched the previous two parts, as this is will certainly give the payoff you've been waiting for.
For those who have not watched the prior two parts, but enjoyed the Avengers (or enjoy super-hero movies in general), I still can recommend this edit with the caveat that it might take a little more time for you to "settle in" and be able to follow the action. Since this is ultimately a superhero movie in the most traditional sense (no big focus on origin stories, or no real emotional story arc), one can still enjoy this film as a stand-alone product. And Juice's new beginning and endings are really well done, and not to be missed.
Congratulations Juice, on completing your trilogy with quality and style, and I look forward to watching more of your work!