Heaven's Gate: The 2nd Director's Cut

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Original Release Date:
1980 / 1981
Original Running Time:
217
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Fanedit Running Time:
151
Time Cut:
85
Time Added:
19
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Brief Synopsis:
This is a recreation of the rarely seen "Theatrical Cut" or "2nd Director's Cut" of 'Heaven's Gate' using the beautiful HD Blu-Ray transfer of the "Preview/Premiere/1st Director's Cut". The much shorter cut is not a studio-imposed hatchet-job but the result of 6 months of Director Michael Cimino's further work in the cutting room, trying to perfect the film. It's 67 minutes shorter, features a voiceover, radically rearranged scenes, altered dialogue, music and SoundFX and 18 minutes of new footage.

For whatever reason he did not chose to restore this cut of the film for Blu-Ray and opted to present his first much longer cut that he himself had withdrawn. So here is my attempt to recreate that "2nd Director's Cut" in the best quality possible.
Intention:
Using the low-quality French DVD 'La Porte Du Paradis' (Which appears to be the only copy of the 2ndDC available) as a guide, I've conformed the Blu-Ray transfer frame-by-frame and cut-by-cut to match. The unique soundtrack of the 2ndDC is preserved, but any colour-timing differences have not been (The transfer was too faded and murky to judge what the colours may or may not have been). Instead I have re-graded any shots I've used from the DVD, to match the Blu-Ray footage which makes up around 90% of this edit.
Additional Notes:
Be aware that while I have used sharpening, film-grain, contrast adjustment and various other tools to improve matters. The unique 2ndDC footage is of a much lower quality than the Blu-Ray source so will be noticeable to some extent. Given this fact I have tried to use every frame I could of the HD source, sometimes even breaking a shot up into seperate layers and blending them together. UPDATE: This cut is now available in HD on a German blu-ray release, as a bonus feature. So I won't be sharing this edit any longer, you can just go buy a copy.
Other Sources:
Heaven's Gate: Criterion Collection (US Blu-Ray)
Heaven's Gate: Restored (UK Blu-Ray)
La Porte Du Paradis (French PAL-DVD)
Heaven's Gate (CD Soundtrack)
Illustrated Audio Interview with Cimino & Producer Joann Carelli (US Blu-Ray)
Special Thanks:
Thanks to Criterion for restoring this controversial film... in any version.
Release Information:
Digital
Editing Details:
General Cutlist:

- I've made no sound edits, Cimino made all of those. Complete 2nd DC soundmix sourced from LPDP
- I haven't noted trims below where it was less than 3 frames as I made far too many to mention. Most were just 1 frame where Cimino omited the original 1st DC splice
- Re-graded all shots from LPDP to match BR footage as closely as possible (Also sharpened and grain added)
- Total Visual Cuts = 643 (I have not listing any audio-changes by Cimino, although there are many)

Considering more than an hour of footage was removed there aren't that many whole scenes removed. It's mostly 600+ small trims but here are some of the larger removals...

- Billy's Speech at Harvard
- Jim watching a man be beaten to death and later talking to his widow
- Jim breaking up the post-Cock-Fight brawl
- Canton executing a prisoner
- Jim and JB drinking into the night
- Nate and Jim's morning confrontion
- Jim shouting at Ella
- Ella speaking at the town meeting
- Most of the post-battle montage including the woman commiting suicide
- Old Jim's rich wife from the epilogue is removed

There also aren't that many large additions, again it's snippets of footage and alternate takes but here are three major additional scenes...

- The Small Man and the Russian's speeches at the town meeting
- Jim arriving at the battle before nightfall
- Jim kills Major Wolcott (Before, Wolcott just kinda went missing?)
Cuts and Additions:
Detailed Cutlist:

(LPDP = 'La Porte Du Paradis' French DVD of the 2nd DC)

00.00.00 - Added FE.org title
00.00.12 - Added TM2YC title
00.00.24 - Added 3 paragraphs describing the 2nd DC with music from the soundtrack
00.01.20 - Removed Criterion title
00.01.31 - Replaced Blu-Ray UA title with 1981 UA title from LPDP
00.04.37 - Replaced opening Harvard shot with textless from LPDP
00.06.24 - Removed long tracking shot of the marching band
00.06.26 - Shortneed shot of girls waving
00.06.34 - Removed shot of students marching and one of Jim running
00.07.59 - Shortened shot of students listening
00.08.04 - Added 4 shots of Jim gazing around and The Reverend talking from LPDP
00.08.14 - Removed shot of Billy laughing
00.08.17 - Removed 4 shots from The Reverend's speech
00.08.26 - Added 4 shots of Jim gazing around and The Reverend talking from LPDP
00.08.36 - Removed 6 shots of Jim, Billy and The Beautiful Girl
00.08.48 - Added 2 shots of Jim and The Beautiful Girl from LPDP
00.09.04 - Shortned the sequence of Billy fooling around
00.09.08 - Added shot of Jim laughing from LPDP
00.09.26 - Removed 2 shots of The Reverend being applauded
00.09.32 - Replaced shot of The Reverend with a shot of two teachers yawning from LPDP
00.09.35 - Shortened shot of The Reverend talking
00.09.52 - Moved shot of The Beautiful Girl clapping to middle of the shot of Billy prentending not to hear
00.09.53 - Removed shot of students cheering
00.09.58 - Added 2 shots of The Beautiful Girl smiling at Jim from LPDP
00.10.02 - Shortened shot of Billy approaching the podium
00.10.05 - Removed all of Billy's 4 minute speech to the students
00.14.01 - Brought forward Billy being punched
00.14.03 - Removed 2 shots of the scrum
00.14.09 - Removed 3 shots of the scrum
00.14.12 - Removed 3 shots of the scrum and shortened Jim climbing
00.14.14 - Shortened shot of Billy giving Jim a leg up
00.14.16 - Cut shot of Billy giving Jim a leg up in two
00.14.17 - Removed 3 shots of Billy being crushed in the scrum
00.14.27 - Removed shot of Jim swinging on the tree
00.15.54 - Last shot of The Beautiful Girl played in reverse
00.16.26 - Replaced shot of people on train roof with tex free one from LPDP
00.16.39 - Added shot of Jim looking out the window from LPDP
00.16.44 - Shortened shot of train by a third from the start and from the end
00.17.12 - Shortened pan in on the wood cabin
00.18.19 - Removed 2 shots of Nate approaching Kovac
00.18.25 - Shortened shot of Kovac calling to Nate
00.18.30 - Shortened shot of Nate raising his gun
00.18.33 - Shortened shot of Kovac calling to Nate
00.18.48 - Shortened shot of wife cradling Kovac's body
00.18.54 - Shortened shot of wife fetching sheet
00.18.57 - Shortened long shot of wife crying and removed shot of Nate riding across a stream
00.18.57 - Replaced short shot of cattle being lassoed with longer angle from LPDP
00.19.18 - Brought forward sequence of Nate confronting The Married Man
00.19.33 - Shortened shot of Nate looking at The Married Man
00.19.40 - Shortened shot of Nate shaking his head
00.19.44 - Shortened shot of The Married Man lowering his pistol
00.19.46 - Shortened shot of Nate staring
00.19.51 - Added much longer shot of The Married Man talking from LPDP
00.19.55 - Shortened shot of Nate staring
00.20.21 - Added 4 shots of Nate dismounting and his friend arriving from LPDP
00.20.44 - Removed 5 shots of Nate and his friend watching the fields being plowed and brought Nate punching his friend forward
00.21.40 - Shortened shot of Nate friend mounting his horse
00.22.58 - Removed 2 very long shots of the immigrant march
00.23.09 - Drastically shortened wide pan of the march by almost 3 quarters
00.23.14 - Shortened shot of mother walking and brought scene of Nate visiting Ella forward
00.23.21 - Pushed back Nate arriving 'til after Ella looks for him and shortened Ella watching
00.23.32 - Shortened Nate's arrival, removed shot of Jim's carriage and added shot of Ella smoking from LPDP
00.23.35 - Removed shot of Ella glancing back
00.23.37 - Added another shot of Ella smoking from LPDP
00.23.41 - Pushed back 2nd half of Nate's arrival and shortened it
00.23.47 - Shortened 2nd shot of Ella glancing back
00.23.59 - Added shortened cutaway to music box over Nate walking through the brothel
00.24.10 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and Nate talking
00.26.04 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and Nate talking
00.26.16 - Removed 10 shots of Ella and Nate talking
00.26.27 - Added shot of Ella kissing Nate's hand
00.26.32 - Added textless shot of train arriving in Casper from LPDP
00.26.49 - Shortened shot of Cully walking through the station
00.27.24 - Added shot of Jim getting dressed from LPDP
00.27.28 - Removed 8 shots of the trains arrival and Jim drinking
00.27.34 - Shortened shot of immigrants climbing down
00.27.38 - Shortened shot of Jim walking through the carriage
00.28.31 - Shortened shot of Jim and Cully talking
00.28.34 - Removed 7 shots of Jim and Cully talking and added shot of immigrants from LPDP
00.28.42 - Shortened shot of Jim and Cully talking
00.29.02 - Shortened shot of Jim and Cully talking
00.29.07 - Added shot of immigrants from LPDP
00.29.16 - Removed Jim and Cully picking up the horse and shortened shot of Jim and Cully walking
00.29.33 - Added shot of immigrants from LPDP
00.29.40 - Removed part of the walk where Jim gives Cully money
00.29.48 - Drastically shortened both ends of the shot of Cully taking care of the carriage
00.29.55 - Removed 2 shots of Cully chasing after Jim and replaced by shot of Jim crossing the tracks from LPDP
00.29.58 - Shortened both ends of the wide shot of Casper
00.30.17 - Removed shot of Jim walking through the crowd
00.30.24 - Shortened 2 shots of Jim walking through the crowd
00.30.32 - Removed 2 shots of the man being beaten to death
00.30.35 - Added shot of immigrants waiting on platform from LPDP
00.30.39 - Cropped shot of Jim outside shop slightly to match LPDP framing
00.30.44 - Cropped shot of Jim outside shop slightly to match LPDP framing
00.31.02 - Shortened shot of Jim walking through the shop
00.31.31 - Shortened shot of man trying jacket and removed shot of Jim
00.31.38 - Removed shot of Jim
00.31.55 - Shortened shot of Jim
00.32.04 - Shortened and removed 3 shots of Jim buying supplies and added a shot of the clark from LPDP
00.32.07 - Added shot of lady sewing from LPDP
00.32.08 - Added 2 longer shots of Jim buying supplies from LPDP
00.32.27 - Shortened shot of Jim looking at paper and added longer shot of the paper from LPDP
00.32.30 - Shortened shot of Jim looking at the beating
00.32.34 - Shortened 2 shots of Jim still looking and of the beating
00.32.35 - Drastically shortened shot of Jim still looking
00.33.18 - Removed shot of Jim bending down
00.33.19 - Removed 2 shots of Jim standing up and shortened a 3rd
00.33.26 - Shortened both ends of shot of lady shouting at thug
00.33.31 - Removed 2 shots of the lady spitting, 1 of Cully calling and shortened Jim's walk back
00.33.45 - Shortened shot of Cully
00.33.50 - Added shot of Cully climbing down from LPDP
00.33.54 - Removed 5 shots of Jim and Cully talking
00.33.58 - Shortened shot of Jim and Cully and cropped plus pan'n'scanned a shot of Cully to match LPDP framing
00.34.03 - Shortened shot of Cully
00.34.06 - Removed the 3 final shots from Casper sequence
00.34.06 - Added longer shot of the Butler from LPDP
00.34.13 - Removed 3 shots of the Butler and shortened a 4th
00.35.05 - Removed shot of Billy drinking
00.35.10 - Removed shot of Canton looking round
00.35.31 - Shortened shot of ladies walking in the garden
00.35.34 - Shortened long shot of Association
00.35.53 - Pushed back shot of Canton looking round so it now plays over Billy talking
00.35.56 - Removed part of the shot of Billy talking
00.36.20 - Shortened shot of Billy turning round
00.36.35 - Added 4 shots of Billy and Canton's argument from LPDP
00.37.33 - Removed shot of Billy looking at Canton
00.37.57 - Shortened both ends of the shot of Billy walking out and up the stairs
00.38.05 - Added 2 shots of Canton smiling and Billy seeing Jim from LPDP
00.38.18 - Removed 2 shots of Billy walking up to Jim
00.38.48 - Shortened shot of Billy in armchair
00.38.55 - Shortened shot of Billy in armchair
00.39.01 - Shortened shot of Jim playing pool
00.39.11 - Shortened shot of Jim and shortened shot of Billy
00.39.20 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and Billy talking
00.39.25 - Shortened shot of Billy talking
00.39.29 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and Billy talking and shortened a third plus cropped it to match LPDP framing
00.39.33 - Shortened shot of Jim plus cropped it to match LPDP framing
00.40.16 - Shortened shot of Billy laughing
00.40.29 - Shortened shot of Jim smiling
00.40.35 - Shortened shot of Jim looking at Billy
00.40.43 - Added longer shot of Billy from LPDP
00.40.47 - Shortened shot of Jim and removed shot of Billy
00.40.43 - Added 3 shots from LPDP
00.41.03 - Removed a shot of Jim, shortened another and removed a cutaway to some photos
00.41.06 - Shortened shot of Billy talking
00.41.26 - Shortened shot of Jim
00.41.48 - Added shot of Billy crying from LPDP
00.41.53 - Shortened 2 shots of Jim
00.42.17 - Shortened shot of Jim
00.42.54 - Shortened shot of Jim
00.42.57 - Shortened shot of The Association
00.43.14 - Shortened both ends of a shot of Canton
00.43.30 - Shortened shot of Billy clapping
00.43.37 - Removed entire 3 minute sequence of Jim talking to the woman with the cart (26 shots)
00.43.38 - Added textless Sweetwater establishing shot from LPDP
00.43.56 - Pushed back 1st Cock-Fight scene and cut 10 shots from the start
00.44.12 - Shortened shot of John in the ring
00.44.36 - Added shot of punter's face from LPDP
00.44.42 - Removed 6 shots from the start of the 2nd Cock-Fight scene
00.44.57 - Removed 5 shots of the Cock-Fight and shortened another
00.44.59 - Shortened shot of John watching the fight
00.45.16 - Cropped 2 shots of the fight to match LPDP framing
00.47.39 - Brought forward shot of the brawl
00.47.41 - Removed shot of brawl and shortened one of Jim
00.47.53 - Shortened shot of Jim talking
00.47.54 - Shortened shot of Jim talking
00.47.56 - Shortened shot of John listening
00.48.09 - Shortened shot of Jim talking and shortened shot of John listening
00.48.16 - Brought forward shot of the brawl
00.48.19 - Cropped 2 shots of the Jim and John to match LPDP framing
00.48.31 - Shortened shot of John talking
00.48.44 - Removed 4 shots of Jim, John and the brawl and added 6 shots of John and Jim talking from LPDP
00.49.03 - Removed last 3 minutes of Jim breaking up the brawl
00.50.01 - Cropped 3 shots of Jim arriving at Ella's to match LPDP framing
00.50.01 - Removed 1 shot of Jim appoaching the door
00.50.28 - Added closeup of Jim and Ella from LPDP
00.50.43 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella talking
00.50.49 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella walking
00.53.01 - Shortened shot of Jim leaving the table
00.54.41 - Added shot of Ella getting out of bed from LPDP
00.54.45 - Removed 3 shots of Jim and Ella in the bedroom
00.56.09 - Shortened shot of prostitues at cabin door
00.56.14 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and Ella and shortened shot of prostitues at cabin door
00.56.35 - Shortened shot of Ella smiling
00.56.45 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella in carriage
00.56.53 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella in carriage
00.57.07 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella in carriage
00.57.17 - Removed town group-photo shot
00.57.23 - Added carriage POV shot from LPDP
00.57.25 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella in carriage
00.58.13 - Added shot of crowd watching Ella from LPDP
00.58.16 - Removed shot of photographer
00.58.49 - Removed shot of crowd running
00.58.51 - Removed wide shot of crowd and pushed picnic scene back 'til after the rollerdisco
00.58.56 - Replaced shot of JB cheering with closer alternate take/angle from LPDP
00.59.02 - Added shot of Jim watching crowd from LPDP
00.59.04 - Shortened shot of fiddler starting his dance
00.59.14 - Brought forward shot of child clapping
00.59.22 - Shortened shot of fiddler dancing
00.59.28 - Shortened shot of fiddler dancing
00.59.29 - Shortened shot of fiddler dancing
00.59.34 - Added shot of Jim watching as the fiddler stops from LPDP
00.59.37 - Removed shot of JB jumping and shot of fiddler stopping
01.00.03 - Added shot of Jim watching crowd from LPDP
01.00.05 - Removed shot of crowd dancing
01.00.15 - Replaced 2 shots of Ella and Jim glancing at each other closer alternate takes/angles from LPDP
01.00.25 - Added shot of townsfolk dancing from LPDP
01.00.29 - Shortened shot of Ella and JB dancing
01.00.48 - Added shot of Eggleston and his wife dancing from LPDP
01.00.51 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim dancing
01.01.02 - Added shot JB playing the fiddle from LPDP
01.01.04 - Removed shot of the harmonica player
01.01.19 - Added shot of Ella and Jim dancing from LPDP
01.01.24 - Removed shot of townsfolk dancing
01.01.25 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim dancing
01.01.31 - Shortened shot of Ella and JB dancing
01.01.34 - Shortened shot of boy falling over and removed 2 shots of townsfolk dancing
01.01.53 - Removed shot of the crowd applauding and moved shot of accordian player forward
01.01.56 - Removed 3 shots of the crowd applauding
01.02.24 - Brought forward shot of fiddler
01.02.27 - Shortened shot of JB's drunkeness
01.02.56 - Removed 2 shots of Ella standing alone
01.04.16 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim dancing, removed another and removed 2 shots of the band
01.04.40 - Removed 6 shots of the band and Ella and Jim dancing
01.05.16 - Added shot of Ella and Jim walking from LPDP
01.05.22 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim leaving
01.05.27 - Removed shot as Jim and Ella talk by the shore
01.05.38 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim in the carriage
01.05.58 - Added shot of Ella climbing out of the water from LPDP
01.06.03 - Removed 12 shots of Ella swimming and Jim on the riverbank
01.06.38 - Shortened 2 shots of Jim looking at Ella
01.07.10 - Added shot of Jim from LPDP
01.07.12 - Removed 8 shots of Jim and Ella and shortened one of Ella
01.07.35 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.07.46 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.07.49 - Added 2 shots of Ella and Jim from LPDP
01.07.55 - Shortened shot of Ella and removed 4 shots of Ella and Jim
01.08.04 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.08.13 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.08.17 - Shortened shot of Ella, removed 5 shots of Ella and Jim and added 2 shots of Ella and Jim from LPDP
01.08.37 - Shortened shot of door opening
01.10.07 - Shortened shot of Canton walking, removed 2 shots of the trainyard and added 1 shot of Nate and Ella from LPDP
01.10.35 - Extended shot of Nate walking into Jim's bedroom with footage from LPDP
01.10.42 - Extended shot of Jim sleeping by looping the shot like in LPDP
01.10.46 - Shortened shot of Nate entering the room
01.11.12 - Shortened shot of Nate and Ella
01.11.23 - Used looped shot of Jim sleeping like in LPDP
01.11.25 - Shortened shot of Nate sitting
01.11.46 - Extended shot of Nate looking in the mirror with footage from LPDP
01.11.59 - Added 1 shot of the fiddler and 1 of nate from LPDP
01.12.52 - Removed 4 shots of Nate taking Jim home
01.13.01 - Extended shot of Jim's bedroom with footage from LPDP
01.13.07 - Added shot of JB from LPDP
01.13.16 - Removed 8 shots of JB and Nate and shortened 1 shot
01.13.24 - Replaced shot of JB with one from LPDP
01.13.35 - Shortened 2 shots of Nate
01.13.55 - Removed 10 shots of Nate and 1 of singing in the whorehouse
01.14.29 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.14.37 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.14.46 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.15.31 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.15.53 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.15.57 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.16.01 - Replaced shot of Nate with one from LPDP
01.16.05 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.16.07 - Replaced shot of Nate with one from LPDP
01.16.09 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.17.07 - Shortened shot of Nate and Ella
01.17.24 - Extended shot of Jim riding with footage from LPDP
01.17.25 - Removed shot of Jim watching the baseball match
01.17.56 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.18.09 - Removed 3 shots of Jim, Eggleston and Minardi
01.18.13 - Replaced shot of Jim with longer one from LPDP
01.18.18 - Removed 1 shots of Minardi
01.18.25 - Added shot of Minardi from LPDP
01.18.29 - Extended shot of Jim with footage from LPDP
01.18.30 - Added different reaction shot of Jim
01.18.33 - Removed 4 shots of Jim, Eggleston and Minardi
01.19.15 - Removed 11 shots of Jim, Eggleston and Minardi
01.19.52 - Shortened 2 shots of Ella, Nate and Jim
01.20.04 - Shortened shot of Ella and Nate
01.20.13 - Replaced shot of Nate with one from LPDP
01.20.20 - Shortened 2 shots of Ella and Nate
01.20.38 - Added 2 shots of Ella and Nate from LPDP
01.20.43 - Shortened shot of Ella to remove Nate
01.21.10 - Removed shot of Nate and shortened shot of Nate and Ella in the cart
01.21.45 - Shortened shot of the cart
01.22.03 - Shortened shot of Nate and added shot of Nick from LPDP
01.22.09 - Removed shot of Nick and Nate
01.22.11 - Removed shot of Nate
01.22.17 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.24.10 - Shortened shot of Nate and removed 13 shots of Nate and Ella
01.25.08 - Pushed back all of the footage of the Cabin "Wolf" chat, the invaders arriving and Cully trying to warn everybody, until after Jim has warned the community at the weekly meeting.
01.26.17 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and the crwd
01.26.37 - Added 4 shots of Jim, JB and the crowd from LPDP
01.26.52 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.26.53 - Shortened shot of Eggleston and removed shot of Jim
01.27.48 - Removed shot of crowd
01.27.52 - Removed 2 shots of crowd and shortened another
01.28.06 - Shortened shot of Eggleston and removed shot of Jim
01.28.08 - Removed shot of Jim
01.28.10 - Removed shot of crowd and shortened shot of Jim
01.28.32 - Removed shot of crowd
01.28.42 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.28.47 - Removed 2 shots of the crowd and shot of JB firing his pistol
01.28.49 - Shortened shot of crowd
01.28.55 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.28.59 - Shortened shot of crowd
01.29.02 - Shortened shot of Jim and 24 shots of the crowd
01.29.03 - Extended shot of Small Man with footage from LPDP
01.29.08 - Shortened shot of Cully
01.29.31 - Cut shot of Cully and shortened another
01.30.47 - Replaced shot of men on train with longer one from LPDP
01.30.58 - Removed 2 shots of Cully and Canton
01.32.32 - Shortened shot of Canton
01.31.57 - Added shot of Canton from LPDP
01.32.51 - Extended shot of Billy with footage from an 'Illustrated Audio Interview with Cimino & Producer Joann Carelli'
01.32.54 - Shortened shot of Invader standing over Cully
01.34.11 - Shortened shot of Cully and removed shot of Invader
01.34.17 - Shortened 2 shots of Cully and removed shot of Invader
01.34.19 - Shortened shot of Invaders
01.34.28 - Shortened shot of Invader
01.34.41 - Replaced shot of Cully with one from LPDP
01.34.42 - Removed 2 shots of Cully and the Invader and shortened another of the Invader
01.34.51 - Shortened a shot of the Invader, removed 2 shots of Cully and the Invader and added a shot of Ella from LPDP
01.34.54 - Brought forward a shot of Nate
01.34.56 - Added interior shot of Nate's Cabin from LPDP
01.35.02 - Removed shot of Nate's Cabin exterior and two interior shots
01.36.06 - Removed shot of Nate
01.36.47 - Removed shot of Ella
01.37.11 - Replaced shot of Ella with one from LPDP
01.37.14 - Brought forward shot of Nate and extended it with footage from LPDP
01.37.18 - Extended shot of Ella with footage from LPDP
01.37.22 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.37.23 - Removed 2 shot of the Cabin interior and one of Nate
01.37.35 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and Nate
01.40.14 - Shortened shot of Ella surrounded
01.40.39 - Shortened shot of Ella surrounded
01.41.16 - Shortened shot of Ella surrounded
01.42.29 - Replaced shot of Jim opening window with longer one from LPDP
01.42.35 - Added shot of Jim at window from LPDP
01.42.50 - Shortened shot of Ella being raped
01.42.55 - Shortened shot of Jim cutting a guys throat
01.42.58 - Removed shot of Morrison
01.43.05 - Removed 2 shots of Jim firing after the escaping guy
01.43.06 - Removed 3 shots of Jim firing after the escaping guy and shortened shot of Jim
01.43.35 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim and shortened shot of Nate
01.43.43 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.43.48 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.43.52 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.44.56 - Shortened shot of prisoner and removed shot of Morrison and Canton
01.45.08 - Shortened shot of Canton and one of Nate
01.45.14 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.45.20 - Shortened shot of Canton and replaced shot of Nate with closer one from LPDP
01.45.22 - Removed 3 shots of Nae, Canton and Billy, shortened one of Canton and pushed back a shot of Nate
01.45.52 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.46.02 - Added shot of Billy from LPDP
01.46.04 - Shortened 2 shots of Canton and removed one of Nate
01.46.06 - Removed 1 minute sequence of Canton shooting a prisoner
01.46.09 - Extended shot of Ella with footage from LPDP
01.46.52 - Extended shot of Ella with footage from LPDP
01.47.17 - Removed 2 minute sequence of Jim kicking Ella's possessions onto the floor and calling her a "Dumb Whore"
01.48.09 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and Jim and shortened one of Ella
01.49.58 - Removed 3 minute sequence of Jim leaving Ella's place, getting Drunk, talking to JB and the start of the town officials going to see him
01.50.09 - Removed shot of officials
01.50.26 - Shortened shot of Jim
01.50.35 - Shortened shot of officials
01.51.02 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and the officials and shortened a shot of Jim
01.52.12 - Shortened shot of Jim and the Mayor and removed another
01.52.45 - Shortened a shot of Trapper Fred
01.52.48 - Shortened a shot of Trapper Fred
01.52.54 - Added 2 shots of Trapper Fred and Wolcott from LPDP
01.52.59 - Removed almost a minute of chat between Canton and Wolcott about Nate
01.53.18 - Removed 2 shots of Canton and Billy and shortened another shot of Canton
01.53.37 - Brought forward reaction shot of Billy
01.53.43 - Shortened shot of Trapper Fred
01.53.45 - Pushed back shot Nate
01.53.49 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.53.51 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.53.54 - Shortened shot of Ella
01.53.57 - Shortened shot of gunmen
01.54.04 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and Canton
01.54.15 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.54.19 - Brought forward shot of Billy
01.54.21 - Removed shot of Nate
01.54.29 - Added shot of Billy from LPDP
01.54.33 - Replaced 2 shots of Billy knocking into the gunman with a single longer shot from LPDP
01.54.58 - Removed shot of Nick
01.55.27 - Removed shot of Nick, shortened another and pushed back a shot of the walls burning
01.55.33 - Removed 2 shots of Billy and Canton
01.55.37 - Shortened a shot of the cabin
01.55.41 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.55.43 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.55.45 - Pushed back a shot of Billy
01.55.46 - Removed 2 shots of a gunman and the cabin
01.56.07 - Shortened shot of Nate and removed shot of Wolcott
01.56.08 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.56.22 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.56.26 - Shortened shot of Nate
01.57.02 - Added 2 establishing shots of the town from LPDP
01.57.07 - Shortended 2 shots of the gunmen and JB
01.57.16 - Shortened shot of JB, removed 3 shots of JB and the townsfolk and shortened a shot of the Mayor
01.57.27 - Added shot of the townsfolk from LPDP
01.57.29 - Shortened shot of the Mayor's wife
01.57.49 - Removed 2 shots of the townsfolk
01.58.02 - Removed 5 shots of the townsfolk and the Mayor and shortened a shot of the Small Man
01.58.11 - Removed 2 shots of the Small Man and the townsfolf
01.58.15 - Added complete 3 minute sequence of the Small Man giving a speech from LPDP
02.01.33 - Removed 6 shots of the townsolk and shortened shot of Eggleston
02.01.35 - Shortened shot of Eggleston
02.01.42 - Added shot of Eggleston's wife from LPDP
02.01.45 - Removed 2 shots of Eggleston and the townsfolk and shortened shot of Eggleston
02.01.54 - Replaced shot of Eggleston's wife with one from LPDP
02.01.59 - Added shot of Eggleston's wife from LPDP
02.02.01 - Removed 3 shots of Eggleston and his wife
02.02.15 - Shortened shot of Eggleston
02.02.22 - Shortened shot of the townsfolk
02.02.25 - Removed shot of the townsfolk and shortened shot of Eggleston
02.02.28 - Shortened shot of Eggleston
02.02.32 - Added shot of the Mayor from LPDP
02.02.39 - Brought forward shot of the townsfolk from Ella's speech
02.02.43 - Removed 4 shots of the Mayor, the townsfolk and Jim and shortened another of the townsfolk
02.02.51 - Added 2 shots of Ella and Jim from LPDP
02.03.07 - Removed 4 shots of Ella and the townsfolk and shortened another of the townsfolk
02.03.17 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.03.23 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.03.31 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim and removed shot of Jim
02.03.26 - Added shot of Jim from LPDP
02.03.36 - Removed a minute of talk between Ella and Jim
02.03.43 - Removed a shot of Ella and a shot of the photo
02.03.53 - Removed 9 shots of Ella and Jim
02.04.04 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.04.11 - Added shot of grl screaming from earlier scene
02.04.13 - Removed 6 shots of the townsfolk and shortened shot of the Mayor
02.04.20 - Removed 3 shots of Ella and Jim
02.04.22 - Removed shot of the townsfolk
02.04.26 - Pushed back shot of Jim
02.04.33 - Added Jim POV shot from LPDP
02.05.00 - Shortened 2 shots of the townsfolk and JB
02.05.02 - Added shot of townsfolk from LPDP
02.05.05 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and JB
02.05.10 - Added shot of townsfolk from LPDP
02.05.15 - Removed 2 shots of Ella and JB
02.05.19 - Added 3 shots of townsfolk, Ella and JB and Jim from LPDP
02.05.30 - Shortened shot of JB
02.05.32 - Added shot of JB from LPDP
02.05.39 - Shortened 2 shots of JB and Jim
02.05.42 - Brought forward shot of bridge
02.05.45 - Removed 3 shots of invaders and JB
02.06.01 - Brought forward 2 shots of the townsfolk
02.06.05 - Removed shot of JB
02.06.34 - Removed 7 shots of townsfolk and Eggleston
02.06.37 - Shortened shot of JB
02.06.44 - Brought forward 3 shots of Jim leaving town
02.07.04 - Shortened shot of Jim and added shot of rider from LPDP
02.07.12 - Removed shot of rider and shortened shot of Wolcott
02.07.16 - Replaced shot of rider with one from LPDP
02.07.23 - Removed shot of townsfolk
02.07.30 - Shortened shot of townsfolk
02.07.40 - Shortened long shot of the battle
02.07.43 - Shortended 2 shots of JB and townsfolk
02.07.57 - Added shot of Billy from LPDP
02.08.00 - Pushed back shot of Ella and shortened shot of townsfolk
02.08.03 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.08.05 - Shortened shot of battle
02.08.06 - Brought forward 4 shots of battle
02.08.18 - Shortened 2 shots and removed 2 shots of the battle
02.08.21 - Shortened shot of battle and removed 4 others
02.08.23 - Shortened shot of gunmen
02.08.29 - Removed 2 shots of the battle
02.08.31 - Removed 6 shots of the battle
02.08.33 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.08.34 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.08.35 - Removed shot of battle
02.08.38 - Removed 3 shots of battle
02.08.43 - Removed shot of Ella
02.08.52 - Shortened shot of Billy and Wolcott
02.09.01 - Brought forward shot of rider
02.09.02 - Removed 4 shots of Billy and battle
02.09.04 - Removed shot of battle
02.09.05 - Removed 2 shots of battle and shortened shot of Billy
02.09.08 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.09.10 - Shortened shot of Billy
02.09.14 - Shortened shot of battle and removed 2 more
02.09.21 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.09.28 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.09.33 - Shortened shot of Billy and removed 2 shots of battle
02.09.43 - Removed 5 shots of battle
02.09.56 - Shortened shot of Canton
02.09.59 - Shortened shot of battle and removed shot of book-keeper
02.10.05 - Pushed back 3 shots of battle
02.10.08 - Removed shot of Ella
02.10.11 - Removed shot of battle and pushed back shot of Ella
02.10.14 - Removed 3 shots of battle
02.10.15 - Removed 4 shots of battle
02.10.21 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.10.23 - Shortened shot of woman
02.10.23 - Shortened shot of woman
02.10.26 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.10.27 - Shortened shot of woman
02.10.28 - Shortened shot of gunman
02.10.31 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.10.32 - Shortened shot of battle
02.10.36 - Shortened shot of book keeper
02.10.37 - Shortened shot of Billy
02.10.41 - Shortened 2 shots of Ella and Billy
02.10.43 - Added shot of Billy from LPDP
02.10.47 - Removed 3 shots of Billy, Wolcott and battle
02.10.48 - Extended shot of Billy with footage from LPDP
02.10.50 - Brought forward shot of JB
02.10.53 - Removed 3 shots of battle
02.10.59 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and shortened another
02.11.04 - Brought forward and shortened a shot of the Mayor wife
02.11.05 - Pushed back shot of Mayor's family and shortened shot of his wife
02.11.08 - Added shot of Mayor's daughter from LPDP
02.11.10 - Removed shot of Mayor's family
02.11.17 - Shortened shot of Jim
02.11.21 - Removed shot of Mayor's family
02.11.32 - Removed shot of Eggleston, shortened shot of Jim and pushed back Jim and Ella at Nate's cabin scene
02.11.34 - Pushed back shot of river
02.11.38 - Shortened shot of river and removed shot of battle
02.11.42 - Added shot of river from LPDP
02.11.45 - Shortened shot of Ella
02.12.01 - Added 4 shots of Jim and Ella from LPDP
02.12.24 - Added shot of Jim from LPDP
02.12.29 - Shortened shot of Jim
02.12.31 - Pushed back shot of Jim
02.12.46 - Pushed back shot of Nate
02.13.21 - Shortened shot of Jim and added shot of Ella from LPDP
02.13.23 - Removed shot of Ella and shortened shot of Jim
02.13.34 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella, pushed back 2 shots of Ella and Nate and added shot of Ella from LPDP
02.13.55 - Shortened shot of Ella and Nate and added 3 shots of Jim from LPDP
02.14.05 - Removed shot of battle
02.14.17 - Removed shot of JB
02.14.33 - Added almost a minute of Jim arriving at the battle and Wolcott mooning the townsfolk
02.15.05 - Removed shot of Wolcott
02.15.55 - Shortened shot of Jim, removed shot of Eggleston and shortened shot of Wolcott
02.16.06 - Shortened 2 shots of gunmen and book keeper
02.16.10 - Shortened shot of book keeper
02.16.14 - Removed 2 shots of gunmen and shortened shot of Wolcott
02.16.19 - Added 4 shots of Jim and Eggleston from LPDP
02.16.37 - Shortened 2 shots of Wolcott and removed 2 shots of Jim
02.16.41 - Shortened shot of Jim
02.16.42 - Shortened shot of Wolcott
02.16.44 - Removed 2 shots of Jim and townsfolk
02.16.47 - Removed shot of townsfolk, pushed back shot of Wolcott and shortened shot of Jim
02.16.59 - Removed 6 shots of Jim and battle
02.17.05 - Removed 3 shots of battle
02.17.12 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.17.15 - Added shot of gunmen from LPDP
02.17.16 - Shortened shot of battle and pushed back shot of book keeper
02.17.23 - Added shot of book keeper from LPDP
02.17.29 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.17.31 - Added 2 shots of battle from LPDP
02.17.35 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.17.39 - Removed 3 shots of battle and shortened shot of Jim
02.17.45 - Shortened shot of townsfolk and removed 6 shots of battle
02.17.45 - Brought forward shot of Jim
02.17.46 - Removed 9 shots of battle
02.17.47 - Removed 4 shots of battle
02.17.49 - Removed 4 shots of battle
02.17.51 - Shortened shot of gunmen
02.18.08 - Shortened shot of townsfolk
02.18.09 - Removed 5 shots of battle
02.18.16 - Removed shot of Wolcott
02.18.22 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.18.24 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.18.25 - Pushed back 3 shots of battle
02.18.28 - Added 2 shots of battle from LPDP
02.18.32 - Removed shot of battle
02.18.35 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.18.36 - Removed shot of battle
02.18.37 - Removed shot of Jim and pushed back shot of battle
02.18.55 - Shortened shot of dying man
02.19.04 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.19.06 - Brough forward shot of battle and removed 4 others
02.19.07 - Removed shot of gunmen
02.19.09 - Removed shot of battle
02.19.28 - Removed 7 shots of battle
02.19.35 - Brought forward 2 shots of battle
02.19.36 - Removed shot of battle
02.19.37 - Removed 3 shots of battle
02.19.39 - Removed shot of man dying
02.19.54 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.20.03 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.20.04 - Shortened shot of man charging
02.20.18 - Shortened shot of man stumbling and removed shot of dropped gun
02.20.27 - Removed shot of battle
02.20.27 - Removed 4 shots of battle
02.20.28 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.20.33 - Shortened shot of Small Man
02.20.48 - Shortened shot of Wolcott
02.20.54 - Shortened shot of Wolcott
02.21.04 - Removed shot of battle
02.21.05 - Added shot of Eggleston from LPDP
02.21.06 - Shortened shot of hand, removed shot of JB and shortened shot of Wolcott
02.21.08 - Brought forward shot of Jim
02.21.09 - Shortened shot of Jim and pushed back shot of Eglleston
02.21.12 - Removed shot of battle
02.21.14 - Added shot of gunman from LPDP
02.21.15 - Shortened shot of battle and removed another
02.21.38 - Added shot of battle from LPDP
02.21.40 - Removed shot of battle
02.21.41 - Added 5 shots of Jim killing Wolcott from LPDP
02.21.49 - Shortened shot of gunmen
02.21.52 - Shortened shot of gunman
02.21.53 - Shortened shot of gunman and brought forward shot of JB
02.21.54 - Removed shot of battle
02.21.57 - Shortened shot of woman
02.21.59 - Shortened shot of Small Man
02.22.02 - Shortened 2 shots of woman shooting Small Man
02.22.03 - Removed 2 shots of battle
02.22.47 - Shortened 2 shots of Jim and Canton arriving
02.22.53 - Added 2 shots of gunmen from LPDP
02.22.58 - Removed 3 shots of Jim and survivors and pushed back one shot of the survivors
02.24.00 - Added shot of Canton from LPDP
02.24.09 - Removed 4 shots of Jim and survivors and pushed back one shot of Jim
02.24.18 - Extended shot of Jim with footage from LPDP
02.24.22 - Removed 3 minute post-battle montage including suicide and pushed back Ella and JB's death to act as flashbacks
02.24.28 - Extended shot of Jim's yacht with footage from LPDP
02.24.39 - Shortened shot of Jim
02.24.56 - Added shot of old Jim from LPDP
02.25.03 - JB arriving at the whore house removed and shot of Ella and Jim shortened
02.25.11 - Added shot of old Jim from LPDP
02.25.15 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim
02.25.21 - Added shot of old Jim from LPDP
02.25.32 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim
02.25.39 - Shortened shot of Ella and Jim and added shot of old Jim from LPDP
02.25.46 - Removed shot of JB
02.25.57 - Shortened shot of old Jim
02.25.58 - Removed 3 minute scene of old Jim talking to his rich wife removed
02.26.03 - Shortened shot of JB, Ella and Jim
02.26.10 - Removed 2 shots of gunmen and Canton
02.26.17 - Shortened shot of Jim
02.26.19 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella to create a jumpcut
02.26.24 - Shortened shot of old Jim
02.26.27 - Added shot of sea from LPDP
02.26.42 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella
02.26.45 - Shortened shot of Jim and Ella
02.26.48 - Extended shot of old Jim with footage from LPDP
02.26.56 - Extended shot of old Jim's yacht with footage from LPDP
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Despite my best efforts and the fascinating extras, I've never been able to make it all the way through my Criterion edition of this film, so I'm grateful to TMY2C for giving me an alternate but equally official way to enjoy this historical epic. Great work all around, this should have been a second disc on the Criterion edition, frankly. This is a flawless restoration and shows off the expansive but tight story that this movie could have been/should have been/almost was from the beginning. Fun and filled with powerful moments and excellent performances.

Now if you'll excuse me, after that, I have to try and track down a good edit of The Deer Hunter...
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HEAVEN'S GATE: Hmmmm

This is a film which in any form (to date) defys conventional reviewing.

All of the versions have an Altman like quality to them, namely a meandering through the chapters of people's lives swept up in the maelstrom of events around them and between them.

Plot elements come and go, but the visuals, acting, set design and landscapes remain.

So is this good? Well, since it is a recreation of what the director originally put out, I must judge it by that standard. TM2YC is not undertaking a creative endeavor or fix here but a "restoration". On that basis, and that alone I can and do give it 10s across the board. If this were an edit of a version that does not exist, it would still score high on technicals, but of course, less on narrative and enjoyment but that is inherent to the material available.

Nevertheless, this is a masterful piece of assembly and gem to have so been preserved.

A big salute to you Sir ! (or Ms.)

This is my GO TO version.



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I have only watched the original Heaven's Gate (well the edition to hit UK cinemas last year) and as much as I could argue the basic story and overall pace of the film leaves a lot to be desired, I do really enjoy it.

I am astounded that you have taken so much time and effort to recreate this particular vision of the film, and more astounded that no-one else has commented on it here (although this is my first ever posting to this forum) I'm not sure how many views it actually gets.

With regards to the new edit, I can see how more of it works, the dialogue between Jim and the Irish Station Master (i.e where the whole premise of the movie is first told) is clear although it felt a little like the dialogue was re-recorded in a studio? I thought the cut from the town to the butler was a little too abrupt and the battle seemed much shorter somehow? I missed the sepia toning on the roller skate sequence also.

There is so much about this movie I would change, if I had your skill and patience. Much of the Harvard stuff is unnecessary as we don't really get the feeling of the great 'end of an era' that we should and I still don't think Averill is a strong character, I don't really care about him. Whereas the Association head (Canton?) comes across much stronger and purposeful. Also, for all of the effort put into the sets, I don't think we see enough of the main town - considering how much is spent in Ella's bedroom (although she is a honey)

Here in lies my question, I wonder if you would consider your OWN edit of this movie - creating an even tighter storyline? Second to Cimino himself, you probably know more about the intricacies of this movie than anyone alive.

All in all a phenomenal achievement by yourself, but it is a better film that the original cut? I'm really not sure - could you make one I wonder?!


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