Hateful Eight: When You Have To Shoot, Don't Talk, TheFeatured
- Blu-Ray (BD-25)
- No Quentin's narration.
- No chapters.
- No flashback.
- No Jack White, David Hess and Roy Orbison.
- As less as possible of Channing.
- Story is told in chronological order, new opening incorporated with arrival of the Domingre gang
- Little cuts to up the pace leading into first haberdashery massacre
- Cut out David Hess song; Mike is killed by Bob through the door, not by Gage afterwards
- Removed (what was second) narration, new montage shortening lead into the introduction of Major Warren
- Shortened Warren’s horse answer, some trims in dialogue
- Cut out Jack White, added music cue and some re-edits into letter reading and Ruth’s and Domergue’s falling out of the coach
- Small cuts and re-edits in dialogue and action to up the pace until the arrival of Mannix
- Small cuts and re-edits in dialogue and action to up the pace until arrival to Minnie’s
- Less door shenanigans
- Mobray justice story shortened
- Gage’s mother story shortened
- Warren/Bob barn dialogue shortened
- Trimmed Mannix overacting recognizing General Smithers and their dialogue
- Less door shenanigans upon arrival of Warren and Bob from the barn
- No hat story, but Warren is suspicious
- Shortened Mobray suggestion to divide the bar
- Some cuts to up the pace of Ruth’s presenting Domergue and disarming Gage
- Some cuts to up the pace into dinner table conversation
- Lot of cuts and trims to up the pace of Warren’s baiting story and killing General
- Removed narration, shorten montage and dialogues leading into Domergue’s song
- Removed (most of) Jennifer Jason Leigh’s real reaction to guitar destruction
- Cuts and trims of Warren’s dialogue after Ruth’s killing all the way through to wounding of Warren
- Some cuts of slo-mo showdown (removed most of slo-mo dilalogue)
- Shorten Warren/Mannix dialogue before dropping Jody;
- Cut Domergue dilaogue adding corpses / horses; paced up shooting of Gage and Mobray
- Cut second Mannix daddy story; now we go straight from Warren having no more bullets into Mannix blacking out
- Shorten Warren/Mannix dialogue before hanging Domergue
- Shorten Mannix reading Lincoln letter, fades after first sentence into new end credits
A/V quality was passable, but significantly lower than the source material for reasons unknown.
Editing was decent, but, as gddgb mentions, some of the choices as to what was cut, or how things were cut, do detract from the experience.
And, yeah, editing this film into chronological format just doesn't work. Destroys the narrative and makes everything sort of uninteresting.
I only watched the roadshow version in the theater before seeing this cut, so I am comparing this to a 3+ hour version of the movie, with an intermission, shot in 2.76:1 ratio on Ultra Panavision 70mm film. (film snob much?) The point is it was purposely edited to be slower and more artistic than even the theatrical cut, so I may be a bit biased when it comes to visuals and what was cut out.
As far as cuts go, pacing of the dialogue was on point. For someone who doesn't care about what's missing, it was perfect. What I missed was a lot of the beautiful shots that were cut (like the long intro shot). The cuts themselves were a bit jarring only a few times throughout, but mostly unnoticeable. I have to say this was a great job regardless for taking on such an epic movie to trim. and making it look this good.
The biggest problem for me was the chronological edit choice. Most of what made sitting through 3 hours so engaging was being in the same mindset as the "good guys." When we start the movie out with the knowledge that ALL the eventual suspects are the "bad guys," there is no mystery, no tension, no guessing... really just no fun. There's no "how many are in on it?" "who's lying about who they are?" It's just waiting for them to figure out what you already know instead of going along for the ride with them. As a result, the climax was flat and the end was not nearly as intense.
If you keep all the same cuts, and switch back to Tarantino timeline, this would rival the original.
What follows is a short review after a second viewing. I had the opportunity to watch this before approval and wrote the following in the WIP-thread:
[I] liked it! A lot! It works well chronologically, though I'd argue you should restore the seconds with the poisoning. The cut is a tad abrupt, what with the can in focus and all. As for the rest of it, you've managed, in my eyes, to improve the movie. My fervor for Tarantino has cooled over the years and H8 & Django I consider to be his lesser works. With this edit H8 became considerably better. And [...] the pace is good throughout.
Otherwise the editing is exquisite, visually and aurally. The only thing I didn't like was the very end. The new music is all good, but Mannix reading the letter works quite well in the original. I'd end it after his delivery instead of fading it out with end titles on picture. But that's just me.
I still agree with all the above. The editing is indeed flawless and whatever small glitches found seems to have been dealt with. The removal of the narration is a blessing, and except the coffee pot and letter reading-cuts mentioned above, I didn't miss any of the other bits removed.
I would, however, recommend that one sees the original first. Otherwise, the tension that thecuddlyninja also mentions in his review will be ruined.
A stellar edit, highly recommended!
I really like the Hateful Eight. It's gorgeous to look at and it's like a fun play where something is amiss and you try to figure out which of the suspicious characters is the bad guy. To start with the good, ALL of the visual and audio editing in this is pitch perfect. It's great. I like pretty much all the trims, there's a lot of smart work. It's a really well done edit. I love removing QT's terrible narration and it makes the coffee scene come out of nowhere which plays much better.
I am really sorry to drag down the score of this review because you achieved what you set out to achieve technically and narratively very well. It's just that putting Jody's gang in the first scene of the movie kind of ruins it, in my opinion. The tension of the film which is the point of the first two hours is that you know something strange is going on but you don't know what. Putting it in chronological order tells the viewer exactly who is who and it makes most of the film uninteresting.
I watched this with my gf who had never seen the original. It was late and I thought you just cut the VO and trimmed it so I figured it would be good to watch this version. I'm going to word this very carefully for spoiler purposes. She didn't know it was a fanedit. An hour in, she asked me how much longer until the main characters knew what was going on. It was pretty uninteresting since we knew from the opening scene. I have to agree, I don't know what the benefit of telling the audience that is, and for me the cost is removing the tension that drives two thirds of the film.
Technically excellent, and it achieved what you were going for.
I liked The Hateful Eight well enough, but having missed it in theaters, I only got the chance to see it on Blu-ray. My biggest issues were that it was: 1) overly long and 2) there was a lot of scenery porn, which was great, but much of the impact was lost due to watching it on a smaller screen (I don't own a large TV or computer).
Plissken1138 did a fantastic job trimming the film down to about two hours even. I a few changes around the opening (which I'll get to in a moment) but beyond that, I didn't really notice anything was cut. Despite the chapter title cards being cut, the cuts/fades to black that preceded them were still present (at least as far as I remember) so there really wasn't all that much gained by cutting the title cards. I liked the new opening title sequence, but the text seemed kind of pixellated in places. Opening on the passengers arriving at the Haberdashery and killing everyone there was a good opening, but I do feel it robbed a bit of the suspense from the film.
The color correction worked fine for me. The BD-25 didn't seem to have any compression issues, and looked and sounded damn good. I highly recommend this if you enjoyed the theatrical cut (or, if you were lucky, the 70mm cut) but found that a bit over long. Besides the few niggles mentioned above, this is a great edit. Keep up the good work Plissken!