I didn't hate this movie when it was in theaters but I did have a lot of problems with it. One of the main unchangeable things about it is the weak villain. Just not enough to him, kind of boring. I also hate how under-utilized Kate Mckinnon was. She needs to be given characters with more range, she could do so much.
Some jokes I liked by the tour guide were cut, but making him more purposeful and tonally consistent was a necessary trade-off and makes the set-up more grounded.
The editing is wonderful, love the stream-lining of jokes and scenes in general. It just makes it feel like you're watching a movie again instead of waiting through !COMEDY! to get to story again. It took something I enjoyed already and made it into an actual movie.
I don't like that the big fight between the leads was kept. I didn't like it in the movie and I don't feel like it needed to be addressed in this cut either (even though I am thankful that it's been cut down). The added in deleted scene of them hashing things out in the courtyard feels very stagey for the purpose of emotional exposition. Them putting such on-the-nose clear words to all the themes and problems of the movie just takes me right out of the story. It doesn't help that the noise floor is audibly much louder than surrounding scenes.
I think it works to have them be at odds interpersonally and then things just get better. Without the confrontation, it never really feels that intense of a feud anyway (especially in this edit). They get a little pissed and then they help each other out and are good again. It's like most friendships in real life and makes sense with the lightness of the first Ghostbusters which also didn't really have high emotional stakes. It's not that I don't care that there's this gaping hole, I really don't feel the relationship's arc needs anything explicit to be effective and understood. It's a very simple arc.
Overall, really liked it. Most definitely replaced the original for me and makes for a good narrative comedy instead of an improv fest. Great job.
Let me start by saying I am one of those who went into Ghostbusters (2016) with a negative perspective, I didn't like the humor I had seen in the trailer, I didn't like the way that people were attacking those who disliked the movie and saying that they were MRAs or women haters or whatever. The cultural milieu had turned me off from the film. Let me also say that this is the first fanedit I have knowingly watched.
Eventually I was gifted a copy of the Extended Release on Ultra-Violet (vudu.com) and finally about 6 months ago I reluctantly sat down to watch it. My complaints about quality of jokes, the statements like "enslaving elephants", the one note portrayal of men as either dumb, malicious, and/or conniving, and the movie just felt like a drag. I distinctly remember disliking how Leslie Jones' character was portrayed, and disliked Murray's cameo, as it felt like he was directed to just be an arse. Anyway, enough about why I didn't like the original.
Almost all of my complaints are resolved by this edit. TM2YC has created a movie that I actually enjoyed, I walked away having actually laughed, enjoying the story, and also not actively disliking the main characters, I actually kindof liked the characters now. The removal of terrible one-liner jokes like "Once you pop", the second slap to McCarthy's character, cutting down Hemsworth's I'm a complete fool act, made it so that the true jokes really shine. Shortening the capture at the metal show made it so much better, I hated the "lady thing, race thing" joke. Now the humor comes from the characters, like in the original GhostBusters movies, not from bad jokes said at the bar with friends. A few issues remain, but like other reviewers I understand, and see, that this is inherent to the source...e.g. the throwback to Moranis' character in the original trying to access the restaurant while being chased by "dogs", in the original it made sense for his character and for the look of the restaurant, in GB2016 it makes Wiig's character look like a dunce when she is supposed to be a, formerly, respected scientist.
I have a few edit issues, but I understand that they are inherent to the source material. The, "Horizontally flipped two shots of guide after hand burning, to better match new cuts," it is noticeable that he is nursing the wrong hand, but that issue is acceptable when it protects from crossing the line as we move to the run down the hallway. I also might have suggested hiding one of his two sighs around the candlestick (3:24-3:31) if possible, with less time spent it seems like a forced sigh. I do love making him into a "straight" man and removing the candlestick lever. The other issue I have is with the metal show, while I love the removal of bad jokes and cameos, it is hard to see how they got into position after the initial line on the stage. Again, this is due to the lack of source to work with and does not stick out while viewing the movie.
Thank you again TM2YC, you have made GB2016 actually enjoyable. And thank you for more GB theme music, less rap.
This is the best version the 2016 Ghostbusters! The extended version was overly long with too many jokes going too long. The theatrical version was shorter, but TM2YC shows that they cut out the wrong bits.
Is this perfect? No, but that's because of the available material.
Did I want to see Bill Murray? Yes, but he was rightly cut. His main scene was frustrating: Murray's character was tedious and flat, and to move the plot forward he made Erin release the ghost which a smart serious scientist wouldn't do! Murray on-TV scene makes no sense without the in-person follow-up, so I agree that had to go too.
The editing is flawless. There were only two transitions which jumped out at me. Their capture of the concert ghost was over unexpectedly fast. No issue with any individual cut, rather the pacing of that story line felt too fast.
The other was their arrival at City Hall after the concert-ghost capture. I blinked and they were in the mayor's office. That felt jumpy, but I concede it's the best cut possible. I viewed the transition several times, in this edit and the extended version, and I could not figure out a better way to cut it (unless someone can change the background when the federal agents tell the Ghostbusters to come see the mayor, from Chinatown to the concert venue).
TM2YC improves the story, jokes, and timing. This is a winner.
First of all, I should fully disclose that I never actually hated this movie to begin with like many others did. I love Kristen Wiig, and I feel okay about the other leads, except maybe Leslie Jones. I went into the theater with an open mind and came out only slightly disappointed. I thought it was okay. However, it was never laugh out loud funny, and more importantly, I felt it was a huge departure from the first two films.
But wow! This is a fantastic fan edit. There are some people who will always hate this highly divisive movie no matter what, but I think it's primarily because this film never found it's audience. Nerds had been waiting 25 years for a sequel to the Ghostbusters franchise, and instead they got something their mom might like instead--something that depicts nerds as sociopathic freaks I might add.
But that isn't the film's fault, and that isn't fixable by the fan editor. The truth of the matter is that there is a definite diamond in the rough here, and TM2YC has proven the haters wrong through his efforts. So thanks, TM2YC. You made an okay movie into a good one.
Again, this a is a phenomenal fan edit. Given the amount of cuts that were made, it's amazing just how much the viewer DOESN'T notice. TM2YC is a real pro, and I'm interested in checking out his other fan edits due to the quality of this work alone. I particularly liked how he executed the removal of the very juvenile fart/queef joke. I actually thought he had replaced it with an alternate take in the Blu-Ray extras, but nope, he actually reconstructed a new joke all on his own. It's so much more clever and funny and befitting these characters. The fart joke made me cringe; the new joke made me laugh out loud. Inspired.
I think in terms of what TM2YC set out to do, he succeeded fully. I think the pacing starts to drag slightly in the latter half before the climax, but I think I would prefer the added scenes be there than not because they carry some emotional heft. One choice I don't understand, however, is the removal of the candlestick trick. It was a clever misdirect in the original film, and removing it didn't really serve the faneditor's overall purpose, so what was the point?
Other than those minor nitpicks, the only complaint I have is that this fan edit left me wanting more. When you actually take all the silly improv out, a movie with the feel of an actual Ghostbusters film starts to materialize. That was a huge surprise to me, and a pleasant one at that. But it wasn't fully formed. Holtzmann still needed to be reined in a bit more. As wacky as she is, she still needed to conceivably be a real person--just like the others. In a scene at the end of the movie, she stands and says something very open and heartfelt to the others--and has a very difficult time saying it. Here you learn that Holtzmann isn't just some slapsticky cartoon-like character. You learn that she's keeping a lot of her true self buried. There's nuance and complexity there, and more than one way to look at her, despite the stupid grunt she lets out to ruin the moment.
Along the same lines of wanting more, the climax is just too silly. With most of the improv removed, most of the film works well tonally, but the end just hurdles towards the furthest reaches of ridiculousness, and I just wonder if a clever faneditor couldn't pull it back just a little to keep it in line with the first two films.
Beyond that, the films colors are oversaturated. The movie has some legit scary parts, and they would be scarier if the film was drained of some of it's color and made to look like the other two films and a horror film in general.
I think putting Ghostbusters III in line with I and II is perfectly doable, and TM2YC's edit really sheds a spotlight on those possibilities. Unfortunately, I don't think there's anyone out there who will take up the cause. It's a miracle that anyone bothered to do anything with this much maligned movie.
But again, a great fan edit. Musings aside, probably one of the best I've ever seen, so I don't want to detract from what we've already been given. I think anyone who watches this film with an open mind will find a lot to enjoy and laugh at thanks to TM2YC.
I was really curious to check this edit out, since Ghostbusters (2016) was among my least favourite films of the year. Happy to report that TM2YC has performed some sort of miraculous feat of fanediting magic and turned it into an enjoyable film. The added material works extremely well (although I did feel the pacing was a tad sluggish at times), and anchoring the characters so that they are not ALL trying to be funny one all the time worked really well.
Highlights included hearing the Ghostbusters theme properly as the girls went into action, and toning down some of the more egregious stupidity of the original release. Here's looking at you, Bill Murray. I would have liked even more of Kevin's idiocy cut out, but it didn't ruin the enjoyment of the movie.
I can say with certainty that this is the only version of this film I will ever watch in future.