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This is a bold, unique retelling of the prequels, utilizing the voice of Alec Guinness' Obi Wan to provide a structural narrative of his failure to properly guide Anakin in the ways of the Jedi.

I HIGHLY recommend everyone see this as it feels more successful in tying the prequels to the Original Trilogy than what we saw in theaters. I recognize something like this might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I applaud the vision and magnitude of this fanedit as it truly feels epic.

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Owner's reply October 22, 2023

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I was finally able to sit down and watch this edit, and I'm happy to say I thoroughly enjoyed it. This is the most creative and perhaps most effective way I've seen a fan edit tackle the prequels and LieutenantDan has succeeded in his ambitious goals! Only Chapter 1 I felt like didn't work for me and I've explained them below.

For Chapter 1: The beginning just throws you into the story with zero context and has no hook to bring audiences to care. Perhaps an opening text (a la Solo A Star Wars Story) could remedy this? That could also help with starting with the senate scene, which I feel is a stronger start with better exposition than the scene in Palpatine’s office. (Although you see more of Palpatine’s manipulation there.)

It isn’t very interesting to hear about a crisis in the senate and not see it at all. To be fair, this is a problem with the original film as well, but by cutting all of it I feel like it is amplified a bit. Maybe you could show some of the Naboo invasion, like the Neomoidians threatening Sio Bibble? A good recommendation to help accomplish this is looking at the Clone Wars episode Supply Lines, which does a similar thing and serves as a prequel to the liberation of Ryloth arc.

For much of these reasons Chapter I didn’t really work for me. However, I absolutely LOVED every other chapter--I honestly wish the first chapter was more like them somehow.

I have been thinking of a way to squeeze in some of the prequels in between Episodes V and VI a la Machete Order for a first timer--I always felt Revenge of the Sith immediately before Return of the Jedi strengthens that film as you fear more for Luke's potential fall to the dark side--but recently I felt like squeezing in 2/3s of a trilogy just for that feels disjointed and does a disservice to the saga. But this edit is the perfect length and the (almost) perfect thing before Return of the Jedi to squeeze in, and you can still get away with showing the rest of the prequels later whenever they'd like as a sort of expanded edition and precursor to The Clone Wars show.

Furthermore, the vignette style of presenting the Prequels actually benefitted the storytelling in a way I hadn't expected--you see, as everyone knows, the Prequels are not very well known for its subtlety. Cutting it down to this length under NORMAL circumstances, I would say you'd be missing in on a lot of the subtleties and the intricacies of the story. However considering that the Prequels do NOT have those, or at least ultimately fails to synthesize them meaningfully, the "broad stroaks" approach actually strengthens Anakin's fall to the dark side, as a lot of things are still left to the imagination (similar to how Tales of the Jedi handles Dooku's betrayal and turn to the dark side.)

The reason I say this is because in the actual Prequels and most Prequel edits, Anakin's arc is still linear and adds a lot of characterization and exposition--Anakin's fear of loss, Obi-Wan's failure to teach what Anakin actually needs, his anger and hate sourced from his troubled past and mistreatment (first from the slave owners, then from the Jedi), and most importantly, his power hungry nature (which ironically is the thing that the Prequels neglected THE MOST). The films try to keep Anakin optimistic and idealistic until the last second so much that, despite all the setup that the films attempt to do, you never believe that Anakin would destroy everything in his path--especially just to save his wife. I understand that his fear of loss led to his wish to be more powerful, to save the ones he loves, but only saying it does not make it believeable. That's just bad writing. We need to see that his initial noble wish turns to greed, and the films largely gloss over that.

The absolute GENIUS of this edit, then, is to reframe everything so that the vignettes make it feel like they're all happening at a similar pace, unlike the original film where the second act of ROTS has everything so rushed. Now, the "broad strokes" approach gives us the same insights that the prequels give--that his fear of loss lead to greed--however it is edited in a far more elegant and natural way. When the distraction of Padme's imminent death is gone, now it seems like he is purely power hungry. We still see him try to hold on to his initial ideals, but we also saw that, leading to his ultimate betrayal, Anakin was itching to get a taste of the dark side, because of the way that LieutenantDan brilliantly created a montage using his few-and-far-between power hungry moments that the films never succeeded in convincing the audience. So when Anakin said (far more confidently this time) that he can overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy, for the first time when watching these frickin' movies, I actually believed him. This is the highest praise that a Prequel editor can get-- LieutenantDan actually made the Prequels work.

Now above, I said "almost perfect" because one thing I wish all Prequel edits kept, regardless of how the film itself executes it, is Anakin saying "You underestimate my power" because it ties into Luke saying the very same thing in Return of the Jedi to Jabba, adding to many of the things that makes the audience fear that Luke actually might follow in his father's footsteps.

On a personal note, one line I wish you kept was "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause." Which is my favorite line in all of Star Wars. Furthermore, I missed some things such as Qui-Gon Jinn's importance to Anakin and how different he was to the rest of the Jedi, including Obi-Wan, as he is the only one who understood that attachments and emotion are not dangerous in and of themselves. On the other hand I realize that this is not what the edit is about and that can always be retained in longer edits of the Prequels.

So thank you, Lieutenant Dan, for this quite marvelous edit you've done. I recommend everyone in the community who have felt wronged by the Prequels to give this a shot. Thumbs way up!
Owner's reply November 12, 2023

Thank you for this incredible review. Appreciate it!

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This is a super well-realized, creative edit! I appreciate how the frame structure allowed for the skipping over of the worst bits of the prequels, excising a great deal of cringy dialogue and tedious senatorial stuff, while allowing the strong visuals and strong story concept to remain. I can't say how this edit would work for someone viewing the prequels for the first time, but for me this was/will be a great way to return to the prequels. Highly recommended!

(I don't know how much I can really say about the audio editing, but nothing took me out of the viewing, which I think is a good sign.)

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Owner's reply October 20, 2023

You're totally right, a virgin to the prequels would not get this edit. But ultimately, I made this edit for me (and other hard core fans) who want a new viewing experience for an old story....an elegant weapon, for a more, civilised age.

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AN ASTONISHING ACHIEVEMENT!

Not only is this a technical and narratively ambitious edit, it breaks the mould on what an edit can be.

Blueyoda, amongst others, has certainly been a trailblazer for such creative endeavours, but this edit cements many different techniques to create what I would regard as an ESSAY/DOCUMENTARY style edit, in many ways similar to Prelude to Axanar in its construction.

For those reasons, and others, my scoring may seem to be at odds for some.

AVQ 10
I viewed this edit multiple times as an approver and the final version I watched was a 9GB file, with no issues.
I would encourage all to watch the larger file.

Audio editing 9...but in fact ...I have to say, the majority of it works so well, I am exercising subjective forbearance.
10

There are hundreds of audio transitions, dialogue isolation and even NEW music added to this edit. The sheer volume of work involved is breath-taking so I for one cannot be too harsh in this category. In fact, the piano piece used is just heart wrenchingly painfully effective...

Many of these transitions are deliberately abrupt and that is a stylistic choice, which I won't mark down.
During the approval phase, I pointed out many transitions which could benefit from additional space or timing improvements and the editor made all of the changes suggested...and did so with grace and full engagement.

The many that remain are, for my taste, part of the style of this presentation and add to the quality and creativity of NOT delivering a structure and style that adheres to our expectations and the audio vocabulary that we have all become accustomed to. This edit pushes those boundaries, and I applaud their use and execution.

This will jar on some who watch this, but I am sure that many other viewers will be able to move on from what they have become accustomed to and embrace this way of delivering a new experience in storytelling.

To anyone that thinks there is audio that could be better presented, I'd say, take Any 5 minutes of this edit, and recreate it yourself flawlessly with a perfect delivery...if that is possible, I shall adjust my score to a 9. I for one, given what is available, believe this is the best it can be without access to the filamakers resources.

This is ultimately a piece of art, and art is a very subjective subject....so 10.

Visual editing 10
The TRAILER/ MONTAGE style of this edit again pushes boundaries and expectations.

There are many aggressive cuts, juxtapositions, dialogue /voiceover laid over protagonists NOT speaking and much more. That is the style of this presentation. For me, they work to perfection...and although early versions of this had some exceptionally jarring moments, again...the editor worked on these further to create the piece that has finally been released.

Images are used both conventionally and stylistically to illustrate what is being heard, or to punctuate...in places this is relentless, and the presentation benefits from this although it requires the viewer to literally forget everything you've seen before in regards to the Prequels.

There are also a few uses of a black screen, which for my tastes i really like...I use black screen in a few of my edits...sparingly...but there is and always should be a reason for that. Their placement in this edit is to get your focus back.

There remain a handful of moments that require some forbearance on the viewer’s part, but given the source materials and what the possible solutions might be, these corrective actions would diminish the presentation and the carefully orchestrated ballet that sound, image and narrative that are being juggled at high speed.

Narrative 10
The narrative construction here is a masterpiece of planning, analysis and execution.

I cannot begin to imagine how many times the editor must have viewed the sources in order to extract this smorgasbord of a presentation.

It has managed to do the impossible in my humble opinion...I DETEST the prequels and this presentation has not only made me realise what a tremendous story was hidden within, but it has made me LOVE this telling ...exceeding what I would have believed is possible.

This is NOT for a casual viewing experience. The jumping back and forth in time, the inserting of dialogue, voiceovers and images from disparately distant moments in the source material requires the viewer to PAY ATTENTION. There are no plot holes so to speak, and much of the filler and detritus from the Prequels has been omitted. What is left is a pure distillation of the Greek tragedy that is the Rise and Fall of Anakin/Vader.

In a few select places, additional dialogue has been deployed which is breathtakingly executed. There is also one section (not to be revealed) which originally was quite conventional...with no suggestions other than that observation, the result that came back was again, challenging and incredibly well executed. I leave it to you all to guess which...but I shan’t tell.

This is a truly new and novel way to experience the prequels. You must pay attention though...you will NOT be spoon-fed...but everything you need to know, see or hear, is there...What a pleasure to be treated as an intelligent adult viewer and not be subjected to over exposition, repetition and childish construction so we don't lose our spot... PHEW!

Enjoyment 10+

On my first view, many months ago...I stopped early and walked away thinking this was a mess. I then returned with an open mind...and the reward was a level of enjoyment I have not experienced since Pulp Empire.

I can only hope that there will be more presentations like this from the editor and that it starts a trend in a new way to deliver an experience...which is what this edit is.

I will echo the previous reviewer by saying that I too "highly recommend this edit as it challenges the idea of what a fanedit is and how one can approach the prequels in a new way in a sea of familiarity".

OUTSTANDING
Owner's reply October 17, 2023

What a review! I owe a lot to Wraith and Artisdead for that matter. But Wraith in particular pushed me (both directly and indirectly) to make my original cut of this edit better. He appreciated my vision and took what was a bold and good first cut, and turned into a bolder and better final cut. He deserves praise for this and should feel (however minor *he* thinks his input was) some degree of ownership for how this turned out. Sometimes you just need a second pair of eyes and ears and a fresh outlook to make something even better. “One more pass” (to quote Wedge). Thank you mate.

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This is an ambitious edit for sure. It employs neck breaking visual editing and extensive audio replacement to move the story along at incredible speed. Narratives are told simultaneously in a long form montage approach with voice over work throughout. It's one of the more unique edits I've seen, but it doesn't exactly feel like a movie do to it's unique approach. This is more an artistic reinterpretation of the Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker.

AVQ 8
The audio and video have some issues here and there, but for the size (2gb) it's very impressive.

Audio editing 6
There are some abrupt transitions throughout and some of the music replacement clashes with the levels of the audio and dialogue of scenes. If this was a straight up movie approach, it would be more impactful, but with the artistic approach of a montage you already know you are watching an edit so it's not as jarring as it would have been otherwise. There is an incredible amount of audio work in this edit, and while some transitions feel abrupt, it is impressive what the editor was able to achieve. This feels like art.

Visual editing 6
I feel like the montage approach removes the jarring impact of some of the visual editing choices in this edit, but I do have to agree that the decisions made here do mirror the approach well. There's just a lack of visual continuity throughout so it's hard to give some of the visuals the investment that they would in a more traditionally driven visual narrative. The visuals here are backdrops to the voice overs and music.

Narrative 6
The narrative works, but it just feels disjointed due to the montage approach of the story. That's not saying this is bad, but it is certainly noticeable as a fanedit.

Enjoyment 7
I did enjoy the fresh approach to this edit. It gave me a lot of new ideas about the prequels, and I wonder if they are best served in this manner. This felt like art in a way that I haven't experienced here at fanedit.org. That may be due to the fact that this doesn't necessarily feel like a fanedit film, but rather a long form fanedited tribute to the source material. That isn't meant as a knock at all, it just is in it's own unique space here. This feels like Star Wars in the style of Phantasia. My enjoyment score is most impacted by the audio editing and the lack of visual continuity that made it hard to invest a full viewing length of attention to. With some more focus on audio transitions, I believe my enjoyment would go up at least a point. That being said, I'd highly recommend this edit as it challenges the idea of what a fanedit is and how one can approach the prequels in a new way in a sea of familiarity.

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Owner's reply October 17, 2023

Thanks Dig. Glad this edit has subverted expectations and appreciate the high-praise use of the term 'art'. You're right, it's not a traditional 'film' or 'fan edit', very much by design.

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